Talking Stick Golf Club - Piipaash Course

3.8171000000 3.8 stars from 5 (656)
  • Holes: 18
  • Par: 71
  • Length: 6833 yards
  • Slope: 127
  • Rating: 72.1
  • Layout

  • 9998 E Indian Bend Rd, Scottsdale, Arizona 85256, Maricopa County
  • (480) 860-2221
  • (480) 850-7297
  • talkingstickgolfclub.com
Write a review

Year built: 1998
Architect(s): Bill Coore (1998), Ben Crenshaw (1998)
Type: Public
Style: Traditional
Greens: MiniVerde Bermuda Grass
Fairways: Bermuda/Perennial Rye Grass
Golf Season: Year round

Rentals/Services

Carts: Yes
Clubs: Yes

Practice/Instruction

Driving range: Yes
Pitching/chipping area: Yes
Putting green: Yes
Teaching pro: Yes
Golf school / academy: Yes

Policies

Walking allowed: Yes
Metal spikes allowed: No, rentals available
Dress code: Collared Shirts & No denim
Credit cards accepted: VISA, MasterCard, Amex Welcomed

Tees | Layout | Full Scorecard

Tee Par Length Rating Slope
Black 71 6833 yards 72.1 127
Gold 71 6430 yards 69.9 121
Gold (W) 71 6430 yards 75.2 130
Gold/Jade 71 6040 yards 67.6 116
Gold/Jade (W) 71 6040 yards 72.0 123
Jade 71 5331 yards 65.4 111
Jade (W) 71 5331 yards 69.1 117

Rating Snapshot

Average Rating 3.8 stars from 5
Off-Course Amenities: 4.1 stars from 5
Value: 3.7 stars from 5
Pace of Play: 3.7 stars from 5
Staff Friendliness: 4.2 stars from 5
Course Layout: 3.9 stars from 5
Course Conditions: 3.9 stars from 5
Rating Breakdown 656 Reviews
5 stars:
191
4 stars:
265
3 stars:
121
2 stars:
47
1 stars:
32

recommend this course

501 out of 654 reviews


What Golfers Are Saying

Location is at a resort convenient to the city near local attractions   Great for advanced golfers a weekend splurge locals   Challenges include bunkers undulating greens plays long   Great for drinks patio dining brunch  

loading...
loading...

Reviewer Photos

Reviews


Overall Rating
Recommended
Handicap
Age
Type of Golfer
Gender

"Not a Resort Course-Sorry"


vallen54's avatar
Skill:  Intermediate
Plays:  Once a week
Handicap:  20-24

3 3.0 stars from 5 Played on 05/18/2017
First time playing Used cart Perfect weather Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

Rough conditions, no sand in bunkers.

Grass rough. hit out of fairway, cant find it or cart stops working.

May never play again.


Pace of Play: Excellent

Course Layout: Fair

Course Conditions: Average

Staff Friendliness: Excellent

Value for the Money: Excellent

Off-Course Amenities: Excellent

Course Difficulty:  Somewhat Challenging


I don't recommend this course


"OK course for the price"



2 2.0 stars from 5 Played on 05/18/2017
First time playing Used cart Perfect weather Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

Based on the price and the reviews I read prior to my round I felt the golf course matched my expectations going in. The course was in decent shape and the layout at times somewhat challenging. I think the greens were recently sanded but the speeds were acceptable. They were very hard and it was difficult

to stop a ball. I played TPC Scottsdale the following day and there was slightly more bite to the greens there so I guess you generally have to contend with hard greens when you play in Arizona.Overall Talking Stick offers a fair bang for your buck but I wouldn't rush back to play it again.


Pace of Play: Average

Course Layout: Fair

Course Conditions: Fair

Staff Friendliness: Good

Value for the Money: Average

Off-Course Amenities: Average

Course Difficulty:  Moderate


I don't recommend this course


"Really disappointed with this course"


rlasorsa's avatar
Age:  55-64
Gender:  Male
Skill:  Intermediate
Plays:  Few times a week
Handicap:  15-19

1 1.0 stars from 5 Played on 05/17/2017
First time playing Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

It's too bad as we were really looking forward to playing here based on other reviews. The course was is terrible condition - the fairways were very "patchy," the greens were sandy and horrendous , bunkers were unkept and not raked properly, and the overall layout of the course is boring. Price WAY too high


Pace of Play: Good

Course Layout: Poor

Course Conditions: Poor

Staff Friendliness: Excellent

Value for the Money: Poor

Off-Course Amenities: Excellent


I don't recommend this course


"Great Staff. Very slow greens"


u000001958133's avatar
Skill:  Advanced
Plays:  Few times a week

3 3.0 stars from 5 Played on 05/16/2017
Previously played Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

Have played Talking Stick since it opened. As usual, all staff members were courteous and helpful. Played North Course. Greens were exceptionally slow. Fairways appear to be still in transition. Pace of play good -- 18 holes in 3:30.


Pace of Play: Good

Course Layout: Good

Course Conditions: Average

Staff Friendliness: Excellent

Value for the Money: Good

Off-Course Amenities: Good


I recommend this course


"Piipaash Course is superior to the O'odham track"


randyhair127's avatar
Age:  55-64
Skill:  Intermediate
Plays:  Few times a week
Handicap:  15-19

5 5.0 stars from 5 Played on 05/16/2017
First time playing Used cart Perfect weather

Reviewed on

Very pleased with the layout, condition & scenery on this golf course. The fairways don't roll out the way the O'odham course does so it plays it's full length. Many bunkers, a little water & some washes come into play. I highly recommend this golf course.


Pace of Play: Excellent

Course Layout: Excellent

Course Conditions: Excellent

Staff Friendliness: Excellent

Value for the Money: Good

Off-Course Amenities: Good

Course Difficulty:  Moderate


I recommend this course


"Pretty playable course"


mletrmn's avatar
Top 500 Contributor
Skill:  Intermediate
Plays:  Few times a week
Handicap:  10-14

4 4.0 stars from 5 Played on 05/15/2017
First time playing Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

Easy to find ,nice pro shop,sort of unhandy to have to go down quite a few steps to get to the carts, the cart boys need to get jacked up since the sand bottles were empty, nice practice area, fairly easy to get to courses. The gps was helpful but the directional sheets were quite good. Tee boxes were nice ,fairways were nice to hit from the ball was sitting on some grass actually. All greens were slightly elevated and some with false fronts and some crowned so you have to pay attention. Greens putted pretty nice with minimal bobbling. Bunkers had fairly good sand. Played in less than three hours since they weren't busy. All in all a good experience . Pretty far to carry clubs to car after you are done.


Pace of Play: Excellent

Course Layout: Excellent

Course Conditions: Good

Staff Friendliness: Good

Value for the Money: Excellent

Off-Course Amenities: Good


I recommend this course


"Somewhat disappointing!"


Redrocks10's avatar
Age:  65+
Gender:  Male
Skill:  Intermediate
Plays:  Few times a week
Handicap:  5-9

4 4.0 stars from 5 Played on 05/14/2017
First time playing Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

If you are wondering why I gave this course spoke solid ratings but average overall is because " normal" rates for this track would be too much for quality and layout of the course. Does not come to the standard of other resort courses I've played.

We just happened to play on Mother's Day when great deals were available all over town for 50% less than normal rates. Fairways are flat and wide and there are a considerable number of bunkers to avoid. Greens are large and smooth but some had grass that was thin. The definition of collar to green was sporadic as those mowing did not mow a consistent line edge around the green. Several times I found greens mowers cutting into the collars.


Pace of Play: Excellent

Course Layout: Average

Course Conditions: Good

Staff Friendliness: Good

Value for the Money: Good


I don't recommend this course


"O'Odham Course gives you maximum roll"


randyhair127's avatar
Age:  55-64
Skill:  Intermediate
Plays:  Few times a week
Handicap:  15-19

4 4.0 stars from 5 Played on 05/13/2017
First time playing Used cart Perfect weather

Reviewed on

I'm not sure how they did this when they built the course, but I've never played anywhere that the ball rolls out like it does here, fairways & greens, and it's fairly level. Wide landing areas off the tee. There are plenty of bunkers, but most are easily avoided. My only objection was the music/noise/whatever that came pounding through the air from the swimming pool area at the hotel / casino. Way too loud & so I would tell you never to play there on a Saturday.Other than that I would certainly play this again.


Pace of Play: Excellent

Course Layout: Good

Course Conditions: Excellent

Staff Friendliness: Excellent

Value for the Money: Excellent

Off-Course Amenities: Average

Course Difficulty:  Fairly Easy


I recommend this course


"Not up to the other courses around."


Kaimuki's avatar
Skill:  Advanced
Plays:  Few times a week

3 3.0 stars from 5 Played on 05/11/2017
First time playing Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

I'm glad we got this on a hot deal because the other courses we played during our trip were so much better in maintenance and layout. We were disappointed on the first hole. The greens have sparse grass and don't get better until the last few holes. The last holes of the North course are actually very good.


Pace of Play: Average

Course Layout: Fair

Course Conditions: Fair

Staff Friendliness: Average

Value for the Money: Average

Off-Course Amenities: Average


I don't recommend this course


"Greens were terrible"


garshing's avatar
Skill:  Advanced
Plays:  Once a month
Handicap:  0-4

1 1.0 stars from 5 Played on 05/10/2017
First time playing Used cart Perfect weather Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

It is unfair to not notify golfers when the greens are sanded. Too me, it is not worth it even if it was free.


Pace of Play: Good

Course Layout: Average

Course Conditions: Fair

Staff Friendliness: Good

Value for the Money: Good

Off-Course Amenities: Average

Course Difficulty:  Fairly Easy


I don't recommend this course


"I like the layout"


samsoncharlotte's avatar
Skill:  Advanced
Plays:  Few times a week

5 5.0 stars from 5 Played on 05/08/2017
First time playing Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

I like the tree lined fareways. Also how each hole dictates your Tee shots. Having to work the ball both ways. I really enjoyed the back nine and especially 18th a power fade around the water, and a reachable par 4 green.


Pace of Play: Excellent

Course Layout: Excellent

Course Conditions: Good

Staff Friendliness: Excellent

Value for the Money: Excellent

Off-Course Amenities: Excellent


I recommend this course


"Normally great course, this time very dissapointing"


Golfnuttaz's avatar
Age:  45-54
Gender:  Male
Skill:  Intermediate
Plays:  Once a week
Handicap:  10-14

3 3.0 stars from 5 Played on 05/07/2017
Previously played Used cart Perfect weather

Reviewed on

I like this course. It's in good condition, friendly staff, normally a treat. This time though we played on a Sunday afternoon and it was very disappointing when half the round we had to put up with the very loud music coming from the adjacent outdoor Pool Party at the Talking Stick casino. Imagine rather than peace and quite at the course, loud booming music. Stupid, just stupid.


Pace of Play: Good

Course Layout: Good

Course Conditions: Good

Staff Friendliness: Good

Value for the Money: Good

Off-Course Amenities: Good

Course Difficulty:  Somewhat Challenging


I don't recommend this course



u00000682271's avatar
Skill:  Intermediate
Plays:  Once a week

4 4.0 stars from 5 Played on 04/30/2017
First time playing Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on


Pace of Play: Excellent

Course Layout: Average

Course Conditions: Good

Staff Friendliness: Average

Value for the Money: Average

Off-Course Amenities: Good


I recommend this course


"Great fun in the sun"


louisleidelmeyer's avatar
Age:  55-64
Gender:  Male
Skill:  Advanced
Plays:  Once a week
Handicap:  5-9

5 5.0 stars from 5 Played on 04/29/2017
First time playing Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

This is a very nice course, made nicer by our Hot Deal...no complaints...course was in excellent condition...just played slow due to a couple if foursomes who were just having a tough time...but we enjoyed our time and the staff was very courteous and friendly


Pace of Play: Average

Course Layout: Excellent

Course Conditions: Good

Staff Friendliness: Excellent

Value for the Money: Excellent

Off-Course Amenities: Excellent


I recommend this course


"Too slow/muni condtions"


u000003522557's avatar
Skill:  Advanced
Plays:  Once a week
Handicap:  5-9

3 3.0 stars from 5 Played on 04/25/2017
Previously played Used cart Windy weather Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

Play was extremely slow. Had 3 groups on some holes. Waiting time was painful. Didn't see any rangers trying to move groups along. Course is getting too much play. Conditions were average at best. I played this course a few years ago and it was in much better shape. Overall I was disappointed.


Pace of Play: Poor

Course Layout: Average

Course Conditions: Fair

Staff Friendliness: Average

Value for the Money: Fair

Off-Course Amenities: Good

Course Difficulty:  Moderate


I don't recommend this course


"Great Spring Opener"


Charles7879679's avatar
Skill:  Intermediate
Plays:  Once a week

4 4.0 stars from 5 Played on 04/25/2017
Previously played Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

Have played the Talking Stick tracks a few times and their both good openers after the clubs have been away during the winter. Good range and easy to find decent grass to hit off. Putting green fairly represented the course greens. Friendly and helpful team too, both before and after the round in the Grille.

Played the South Course, now rebranded as Piipash, which is fairly traditional parkland setup, yes even in the desert. Generous fairways for the most part but hitting the greens more of a challenge and then holding them as they are not super receptive - so you learn that after the balls run over the back a few times and start judging the chips ... which is where the greens come in: true but with subtle burrows to catch out a misread and a real need to judge uphill and downhill pace.

Pace of play a bit slow due to groups ahead of us but you'll find that more or less anywhere. GPS on one of the carts 30 yards out and the other insisted we were in "native areas", and so reduced the cart speed to a crawl, when we were on the cartpath! One in the group had a laser rangefinder so cart GPS not an issue and that verified Garmin watch distances for the most part.

As an older 20 handicapper, I thought the gold 6430 yards/121 slope might be a tad long on distance but am pleased to have taken on the challenge of having to hit hybrids into greens (see above for not holding them). Ended +1 to handicap. 4 tee combinations stretch from 6833/127 down to 5331/111 so take your pick.

Talking Stick is not the ultimate desert challenge but as an opener or anytime to get out in good surroundings and get round without fear of losing too many balls, it's a great choice. I look forward to to playing there again.


Pace of Play: Good

Course Layout: Good

Course Conditions: Excellent

Staff Friendliness: Excellent

Value for the Money: Excellent

Off-Course Amenities: Excellent


I recommend this course


"Sunday golf"


rickedavidson's avatar
Skill:  Intermediate
Plays:  Once a month
Handicap:  10-14

3 3.0 stars from 5 Played on 04/23/2017
Previously played Used cart Perfect weather Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

The property is certainly convenient, but I think it may have reached it peak. Everyone knows TS is flat and overly fair and is a good warm up for the more challenging tracks up north. While most of my rounds here are not that memorable, this past Sunday's round during the resorts pool party will certainly stand out. Way way way too loud man! Bottomline, the South course needs to be closed on Sunday Funday.... or the management might want to consider creating a happy gilmore shot gun and let the DJs pump the bass. My beer was literally vibrating in the cup holder the whole round... the cart guys said the music was only have as loud as it usually is! $40 dollars pp + $5 beers should load up a weekly shotgun.


Pace of Play: Good

Course Layout: Average

Course Conditions: Average

Staff Friendliness: Average

Value for the Money: Average

Off-Course Amenities: Average

Course Difficulty:  Fairly Easy


I recommend this course


"Bring your earplugs"


torewick's avatar
Skill:  Intermediate
Plays:  Once a month

2 2.0 stars from 5 Played on 04/23/2017
Previously played Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on

Played the south course on a Sunday afternoon with my teenage son. Staff was great, course in good shape, practice facility nice. All was good until the noise from the giant pool party started from the nearby Talking Stick resort hotel. It started off low than got louder and louder as the afternoon went on. The DJ of the party was yelling obscenities trying to fire up the drunken crowd over a very loud speaker. The never ending dance club music and its deep thumping bass gave Us both a huge headache by the back nine. The closer you are to the hotel the louder it got but there is nowhere you can go to escape it. By the 18th hole we were just worn down and wanted to get out of there. Suspect this is a normal deal on the weekends. Definitely not a good place to play if you are looking for a peaceful quiet round of golf. Nobody warned us about this when we checked in or when we booked our tee times. Really hate to portray this as a bad place as everything else was really nice. To be safe bring ear plugs or call to get the pool party schedule.


Pace of Play: Good

Course Layout: Average

Course Conditions: Good

Staff Friendliness: Excellent

Value for the Money: Average

Off-Course Amenities: Good


I recommend this course



gswan's avatar
Skill:  Advanced
Plays:  Few times a week
Handicap:  5-9

5 5.0 stars from 5 Played on 04/23/2017
Previously played Used cart Perfect weather Verified Purchaser

Reviewed on


Pace of Play: Excellent

Course Layout: Excellent

Course Conditions: Excellent

Staff Friendliness: Excellent

Value for the Money: Excellent

Off-Course Amenities: Excellent

Course Difficulty:  Somewhat Challenging


I recommend this course


"Great day of golf"


lmorentin's avatar
Age:  55-64
Skill:  Intermediate
Plays:  Once a month
Handicap:  Don't know

5 5.0 stars from 5 Played on 04/22/2017
Previously played Used cart Perfect weather

Reviewed on

This is a fantastic course and a must play course here in the valley.


Pace of Play: Excellent

Course Layout: Excellent

Course Conditions: Excellent

Staff Friendliness: Excellent

Value for the Money: Excellent

Off-Course Amenities: Excellent

Course Difficulty:  Somewhat Challenging


I recommend this course



    Marketing Tools for Golf Course Operators

    • Add a Golf Advisor Rating Badge to Your Website. Get Widget
    • Get a feed with the latest reviews for this course Feed