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...it's not a bad course but they overbook it and charge a lot to play it and the course has a lot of verticality and can be really hard for short players, players who can't hit straight, and it always is full of middle-aged and elder players so the pace is always so slow and things tend to spiral out of control there.

There really is not much to talk about this course in terms of "golf". it is maybe a C on the scale of difficulty and in terms of layout, both. The fairways are wide enough to invite you to hit the ball wildly into the trees. They are really not long enough to be a challenge from the back tees. Not really tight enough to be a challenge from the fairways. I would say the course is more of a junk-ball pitcher, it certainly is not a flat course with the holes right in front of you. Just about every hole except #7-#9 has some funk to it and is a decent challenge in some way. But it is not really "hard". That is a critical shortcoming...it is challenging (and expensive) enough to keep "serious golfers" coming back to it, but not hard or expensive enough for them to give-up playing it so they tend to collect here like driftwood and clog-up the course. Believe me, with Ft. Belvoir, Forest Greens, Augustine and the Gauntlet right down I-95, Generals' Ridge, Lee Hill, Twin Lakes, the list goes on and on... there are much-better, tougher courses relatively close nearby for the same money. I think this course may be fairly impressive the first few times that you play it but after that it will lose its luster simply because it is so expensive for what you get out of it in terms of golf and the pace of play is so, so so slow. It's really just a little too easy and the people who play here just take it too seriously, while on the other hand they are rarely good enough to match their level of seriousness..and they're slow. You'll be pulling your hair out by the 5th hole. I guarantee you that 5 hours will seem like a good round to you. I have played with people quit in the middle of the backside and start over at the front.

I've played this course two dozen times over the past 10 years or so. It is just a hard round of golf. Each and every one of the holes has something a little "extra" to it that makes it out of the ordinary in terms of toughness. If you can get through this 18 without reaching desperately for a beer, you'll be lucky. I would not say that it is the hardest course that I have ever played, but it's in the top 5. It just keeps you grinding and grinding and grinding for 5 hours. And eventually...you're going to break down. Right about the 15th hole. And you're just going to be glad to finish. The problem with it is that it is not just long, a lot of courses are long. The thing is that all of the holes have some weird funkiness to them which makes them tough AND long.. And in the summer? It gets obscenely hot. A hot, long, tough 18? That's not "recreation" it's self-abuse. This course borders right on self-abuse. Even when it's not that hot. When it *is* hot? It's just ridiculous.

...this is something of a depressing course because it's not a bad course it's just not nearly worth what they charge for it, and they charge outrageous prices for this course especially in March when the greens have just been aerated and sanded. I'm not even going to mention that the last time I played here, the basis of this review, it was at most 40deg and windy and by 2pm everyone else but me had left the course, it was cold and beginning to snow, actually. But I played when it was 15degF this winter...and it was really nice for an hour or two before it began to get cold in the afternoon as the clouds rolled in again. I just think that this course is just not "all that". It's ok. No question it's a decent course. But it isn't all that, really. It's not long enough...the greens are something of a joke #1 especially, the fairways run back and forth and back and forth beside each other and that just invites people to hit balls into your fairway and then play back out. Play enough courses and you notice this. #1, #3, #6-#9, #10 and #18 run along or play into out out of Lee Highway and it is just not much fun to play golf when you have 6 lanes of traffic whizzing by you. The backside is pretty mundane except for I guess it's #15 where it is way too easy to lose your ball into one of the two creeks along the fairway. But overall not a bad course at all. Just not worth what they charge to play it. This course is going to cost $100/round soon enough. It's just a decent course in a high-rent neighborhood, caught between Leesburg to the west, Ashburn to the south and Chantilly to the east. All 3 growing by leaps and bounds. But try Westpark in Leesburg and you'll see what I mean. True there are not many houses on Goose Creek, but it's not like it's entirely free of distractions and at some points on the course you have 3 or 4 holes coming together in that same area. It's like a skatepark for golfers. For what they charge here I would play a more-open course like Bull Run or Raspberry Falls, two courses that are maybe a 20 minute drive across Leesburg. There are just too many courses around the area, good public courses, that charge no more than this and often a lot less that are as good or better rounds of golf. But if this is what you can get, it's not bad. Not great but not bad. You are certainly not going to walk onto Goose Creek and shoot 10-over in your sleep.

The Gauntlet is a strange course, it's a fairly straightforward woods' course with a fair amount of verticality, largely open...the woods don't really come into play much on this course. It does give you a chance to get into the fairway easily, but the approach shots here are simply henious. The whole point of this course is to make you outthink & outplay yourself, luring you into disaster. Playing tee to fairway to green in regulation is not just the only way to shoot decently on this course, it's the only way to survive it. But unless you are a solid player, it is almost impossible to do that consistently on this course. Well at least there are some nice lakeside views and it's a reasonably appealing layout, visually. Nice clubhouse too.

This is a fun course. I think the condition was slightly above-average, the fairways were in good shape but some parts of some of the greens had rotted-out, the green speed was all over the place and one of the bukners that I played out of had about 2" of sand in it. The greens in general were marked-up, but overall the course was in decent condition. You wouldn't be either overly impressed or overly upset with it. But the main thing about this course is that it really is a fun course to play, even for the jaded golfer. The front 9 is a bit technical and will require concentrated play to score decently. The backside is somewhat more open, offering up a nice long stretch of big tee-shots & fairly easy approaches that, while pretty straightforward and certainly nothing out of the ordinary, are still just a bit technical and you can either let the big dog bite and take your chances or play for score, and either way it's enjoyable. I played from the back tees and was a little off my game but still shot a 105, with a couple of +4s on the front and a +5 on the back, generally about half a stroke over my average per hole. I didn't really get warmed-up until about the 6th hole and blew a long string of pars and bogeys with a +5 in the middle of the back (I was easily on pace to shoot under 100 before that). But in general it was fun. The weather was nice, a little hot (standard Northern VA summer weather) but not too hot, or humid, not a lot of bugs...we just got carried away hitting big tee-shots :) but it was fun, really. None of the holes are really super-tricky, tight or technical. It's all just right there in front of you, some waste, some verticality, some greens guarded by bunkers...standard fare, yet, still, just about "medium difficulty". The tee-shots are fairly easy, the iron shots moderate difficulty, the length moderate as well. Just a fun layout. Challenging, but not insanely-so. I can't see not having fun playing this course. Unfortunately the rate was a bit high for it, with a 30% discount I still paid $50 through golfnow (the most that I've ever paid to play a course through golfnow), so that's $75 a round on Saturday during regular hours...it's not *that* good, sorry. But I would definitely pencil this course in a few times a year, otherwise. I look forward to playing it again. I should mention also that this is more of an upscale course, guys putting your bag *into* your cart and all that, not quite popped-collar but still an upscale crowd. Unfortunately golf makes us all equal, in a way :) hang in there, play the course smart, don't let things get you too upset, don't try to beat the course into submission, and let your irons work for you instead of making them work against you...standard fare. Nothing all that tough. But rewarding, even so.

I think that I have to lead off here by looking at the negatives of the course. The difficulty of getting on it as a single, the fact that certain traps were under repair...it's somewhat of a round course, overall, with fairways adjacent to one another, traffic passing by on a few holes...condition-wise it was just in "good" condition, with a few exceptions. The amenities were nice, a nice clubhouse, great view of the course from the clubhouse, and the cart-girls were happily driving round and round. But this is much more of a players' course than a "golf outing". It's legitimately hard, first of all, with several blind tee-shots, some borderline-crazy tee-shots and some tight approach shots, that put this course a bit beyond the amateur-casual golfer. Intermediate-length even from the back tees, it's really a shotmakers course and carries a shotmakers' attitude and you will find a lot of "shotmakers" playing the course. You know, kind of like the Red Bull Golf League. The thing about it is that it's a beautiful course. It reminds me of Olivia Newton John in Grease. It exists as a golf-course, sure, but clearly it's a cut above most courses in both difficulty and in beauty. It truly is a beautiful course and if you're a jaded player you'll enjoy the round for that reason alone. And when you get through admiring the course for its beauty, you can get back to admiring it for the challenging shots that you have to make to play it well, and admire yourself for shooting 100 on it from the back tees the first time that you played it. Or something like that. No bragging intended. I know harder courses in the DC area, I don't know many better-looking courses, and none that I'd say are tough yet fair and simply gorgeous on top of that. In that regard, it stands alone. Undoubtedly the best public course that I've played within an hour's' drive of downtown DC. But still, given the condition of the course at least when I played it, I can only give it a 4 out of 5.

This course is at least an hour drive southeast of DC, further out than the Rte 301 bridge to Dalghren. But it's worth the drive. I'd call it intermediate difficulty for the most part but more than a few holes are "quite a challenge" for the intermediate golfer, someone who normally shoots around 100. The layout is very nice, the grounds were excellent when I played, though it's cut out of the marsh along the Potomac so definitely bring some bug-spray. The bugs, horse-flies and what-not, were "evident" but not overwhelming. Don't let them ruin a good round. The main thing is that this is a full-on course, electric carts, pretty-much flat but the hole layout is simply excellent, time and time again. Especially if you like water. The fairways were decently wide with trees well-off the fairway and moderate-length rough. Only a few of the greens, if any, were tabletop and they were all mostly flat, not hard to reach in regulation and not overly big or small, not tricked-up or overloaded with traps and waste on the fairways and around the greens. Very nicely moderated difficulty. I can't think of any blind shots, either, nor the obnoxious and trendy "you've got to drive 150+ over a waste before you even get to the fairway" except on one hole. Even tee shots over water, there are only a few par4's like that, and two par3's that are over waste, not too bad. The main thing is that the shots are just amazingly, consistently good, challenging yet not impossible, from tee to green. Only on a few holes did I ever get that "this hole sure seems familiar" feeling, mostly you'll get a good solid intellectual and physical challenge on every hole all the way from tee to green. It was absolutely worth the $30 that I paid for a twilight round, which starts at 3pm in June. The front nine is a notch or two better than the back, but the most challenging holes are equally spaced between the front and the back. I played the course two days in a row, on two beautiful days in the mid-80s with blue skies and low humidity, the first time I actually shot a little better than the second but both times I was 15 strokes over my average. Some have said that you have to make a good choice of tee, it's really simple, the black tees (back tees) are at least a stroke per hole harder than the blues except for a few holes. Not much difference at all between the blues and whites. And if you play the blacks instead of the blues, which is quite possible for most of the course, on the back you'll get a nice 240 yard par3 over a giant marsh to a thin, wide green and then another 250 yard shot into a narrow angle for a dogleg right that you will never forget as long as you play golf. It's worth the trip, worth the money and quite an experience even for a jaded golfer. And the views on some of the holes looking out over the Potomac are very nice, though equally a few holes play between houses and are just average. I would definitely recommend this course to anyone who considers themselves an avid golfer, though it is definitely not a beginners' course, definitely not for the faint of heart. Make sure you can score in the 90s at least somewhere before you play here otherwise you will just waste a whole lot of balls. The blues are fairly easy. The blacks are another story entirely. But overall the course is just a solid, engaging challenge, not too long or short, not too tight or wide, not fantastic but not average either. A standout course all around. I would say that it is probably the best public course that I've ever played in the DC area, and I've played just about all of them.

This is easily my 4th attempt at reviewing this course, for some reason GN keeps rejecting my reviews.

The course is flat as a board with some creeks running through it, and a small lake in the middle. You're basically playing 18 holes in maybe 3 acres of marsh cleared-out to form a golf-course. It's not an easy, "gimmie" course to play, but a course like this can only be so hard without making the greens and fairways so small as to make it basically unplayable by anyone other than a scratch golfer And it's not that hard, it's actually fairly easy if you don't blade or spin your shots too badly. A beginner will find this to be a very-tough course as it is long enough, tight enough and there are enough hazards to cause a beginner problems. A player with decent ball-control will go low on it. I got bored playing it by the 8th hole. And that would not be a problem, it would be what it is, it would still be a decent round of golf and what-not, if the staff and management weren't rude. But they are. You really can't separate that from the course and review it fairly. The staff at most golf-courses are nice, helpful, polite if not obsequious and of course there is no need for them to bend over backwards to please a player, nor should there be such a need...but the staff and management here act like they are doing you some great favor to let you play their course and will remind you of that in ways both subtle and overt. Well at least they did to *me*. Not just once, not just the last time that I played here, and enough was enough. And I am not paying them $50 for that attitude for this course again. Nor would I recommend that anyone else do that either.

Basically in my opinion the course is not worth the greens-fees all else aside, and even if it was the attitude of the staff and management would keep me from wanting to play it again or even to recommend it. I've seen course-management at other courses that was a bit "frosty'", sure sometimes they can get a bit standoffish, curt, crisp, you name it. I don't expect the staff and management to be like the Disney characters at the Magic Kingdom.. But to be outright disrespectful? Come on. That's someone saying either that they don't really want you back on the course, that they really have no idea what "people skills" are or they have some vastly-overinflated idea of what they are doing, in running a golf-course. I suppose that out of all the golf courses that I've played, out of all the times that i have played golf, there has to be at least one bad-apple in all that. And this is definitely that bad-apple. By far the rudest staff and management that I've ever had to deal with on a course and I have played golf across most of the country over 20 years. I don't ask for much, but I do demand that the staff and management do not disrespect me blatantly and overtly. And then act like it's no big deal. There is not a single golf course in the world that I am so addicted to that i would play it again not to mention pay to play it again after the way that I was treated there the last time, especially not THIS 5500 yard course in a drained swamp surrounded by houses often at most 20 yards from the greens and tee-boxes (seriously I'm teeing-off on #18 and there's a real-estate agent talking to a couple on the deck of a house, in a row of houses, no more than 20 yards behind me) for which they want to charge $50 for 18 holes and a cart.

And sorry but I'm not going to review this course without saying that, because that is an accurate summary of my experience playing there. The course would be a mild joke without that pleasure of an experience. With it, it was a nightmare. I won't even give it a "fair" overall. If the staff and management had not been rude to me, and if they were not usually borderline-rude, it might qualify for a "fair" overall rating. In this case, no way.

I've played this course several times and I'm heading out that way tomorrow so I will "review" this course based on past experience and see if my review holds up :)

This is an odd course. The area is hilly and the course has you playing up and down hills, quite substantial hills, over creeks and waste and what not. There isn't really a flat, clear hole on this course. It's not "super-hard" but it's not a beginner's course, not by far. You're either hitting uphill or downhill or across some giant ravine on every shot. There are two short par-3s and several par4s with a drop of at least 100 feet from tee to green, not counting the ones where you're playing up 100-200 feet or across a valley. And it's not short either, nor are the fairways very wide, or the rough very short. It is easy to bite off more than one can chew here, hit a club or two too long and find yourself in the woods assuming that you don't top your ball trying to hit it long. So, yes, it's a challenge to keep the ball in play here when the natural instinct is to play long...if you have trouble keeping your drives and irons in front of you then do yourself a huge favor and club down. You'll save yourself a lot of time and trouble searching for your ball. One redeeming feature is that there is only one blind shot that I can think of, on a par5 on the back side, and two "sort of" blind shots on the front, on the 2nd and 3rd holes, and one water shot, the first hole. The greens are almost uniformly flat, wide and fairly unguarded, the trick is getting to them. For most of the course you just want to hit fairly-straight intermediate-length shots because often you will lose track of your ball if you hit it more than a few degrees offline and it'll land out of sight and trust me roll into the woods which are not trivial on this course. It is extremely easy to lose your ball on this course, especially hitting up or down the way that you have to, to play it. I'm not sure that it's really worth the effort. Except for a few holes the rewards are rarely worth the risk and effort and a good round depends as much on luck as anything else. But if you want something different that's not too far away from DC and not too expensive, then Little Bennett is definitely the place. And the deck of the clubhouse is a great place to sit and watch your peers battle the 9th, 10th and 18th holes. Now that I think of it I may have to try the P.B. Dye course that's down the road, I've been by it 20 times and never played it in favor of this course. Mainly because this one is so much cheaper than the other. So I'll try that one and write a review to compare it to Little Bennet.

Like Twin Lakes on energy-drinks.

Definitely a bluebloods' course, great grass, good greens, not too tricky or slow, and wide-open holes, for the most part. No blind shots. The courses' "defense" is a fair amount of water and waste-areas. Doesn't require a big stick but won't tolerate duffers very well. A good place to bring people to impress.

I wouldn't say it's the best in the area, but it's not bad, definitely. One of the better *courses* that I've played, but not one of the more difficult. Only the 18th was anything resembling a real challenge. The rest were classic technicians' holes. If you can hit and putt reasonably-well, you'll do fine. I'd say that this course is a good for players who enjoy a mildly-challenging round on a course that is not too flat or straight and does require some decent carries, and it's a good place to play for someone who wants to bring out their friends and family and have them experience "golf", and you'll enjoy the grass, scenery and amenities along the way.

The problem with this course is that it's just too basic. The course is practically flat. The greens were fairly large, not too flat and somewhat fast, a decent but not overwhelming challenge. Some sand of coursre but the real defense here is the rough. There's some water, but not much. Every hole with rare exception is straight away, between 350 and 450 yards for the par4s, tack on another 150 yards for the Par5s and subtract 150yds for the par-3s. The "holes" are like bowling-alleys. A few mild doglegs, a few shots over water...but overwhelmingly just like bowling. Tall pine trees every 25 yards on both sides of the fairway which is about 50 yards wide, a first cut of rough about 2" that will probably cost you a stroke per hole on average, and then once you get past the trees but still only on the outer fringes of the course (actually marked OB in places) at the beginning of thick woods there's some long grass and some unplayable lies. For adjacent fairways, usually the course is clear, go to the adjacent fairway, find your ball and just play back to your fairway. Not always, of course, but surprisingy often. The course is just too straightforward to be much of a course. Oh the time I played it the grass was excellent (even if there were a fair number of divots in the fairways where people just didn't even bother to replace their divots) and the weather was very nice but after 5 holes I was like "bleah". I got there too late to play 18 walking, but really I didn't feel that I missed much if anything by stopping after 9 holes.

No blind shots, at most a mild slope up or down off the tee...no tabletop-greens no real doglegs, there was one par3 over water on the front, the first hole has a mild uphill dogleg with the right edge leading to thick rough...but again, nothing really significant. You'd have to be crazy wild to hit into trouble on this course. If not then you could walk straight up the fairway to your tee-shot, just keep hitting and walking right up the fairway to the green.

It's good for getting out for 9 holes and walking around and practicing a bit but nothing of a challenge other than, of course, playing par for 9 or 18 holes. If you can hit the ball reasonably straight and consistently and you've got your yardage down and you can live with the occasional par then you will hit bogies and doubles consistently while hardly trying, and this course will bore you in short order. It's just a straightforward hitters' course. The best thing about it really was the drive out to it (it's practically to Leesburg), the skyline especially around sundown, and the fact that there were no houses in sight. It would be good for a beginner, though, on a slow day, as it will quickly teach the value of hitting consistent shots, keeping the ball in the fairway and staying out of the trees and traps on your approach-shots. Other than that there's no real risk-reward here.

So. For a beginning to average player this course may be a bit more than they can handle, a wild player will find it very frustrating, but an average to good player will find it at best practice and at worst boring. Quickly.
But condition-wise it's in great shape, though the "pro-shop" and lounge were a bit basic. Servicable.
A servicable course when you want to tune-up your game, maybe.

It could be much worse, it could be the course at Rock Creek Park downtown, and it is far better than that, but still it isn't much.
I mean, the course at Rock Creek Park downtown is much more of a challenge, but that course is nowhere near this good of a condition or this long.
It's in really-good condition, and it's not all that short either. But the course just has no joie de vivre. It has the soul of an accountant, all columns and figures.
Like a large, really-fresh loaf of white bread.

This course ambles along two creeks (seems like there's always a creek or a pond near the fairway or green) between a highway, a busy 2-lane road and around and about in a subdivision of closely-packed estate homes. It has tight fairways and greens that are surrounded by fairly-dense woods and truly-dense undergrowth. One fairway is OB to a row of houses. Not a lot of sand, no brush right up on the green, only a couple of tabletop greens and rather-flat greens at that, the main "defense" of this course is the woods and water. The general pattern is a tee-shot down a chute of some sort to a landing-area maybe 100 yards wide at most, often less, with maybe 10-20 yards of rough on each side before you run into dense woods. For the par-3s, uniformly vertical over some immense hazard to a generous green with a steep pitch off the back and/or sides, either into dense woods and undergrowth or even water. Water is in play on at least half the holes. The woods and undergrowth are always in play. It does cut the player some slack in that only a few of the greens are tabletop-greens and they are usually flat, round and have a decent and consistent speed and there's none of that brush near the greens that some designers love to use. In general the course is usually busy, can get somewhat noisy and slow, but the people are nice, the facilities are very nice and it's close to the DC beltway and easy to get to and I've never paid a lot of money to play this course, I've been playing it for years. I would say that it's a generally-relaxing experience that is best taken at a lesiurely pace and to play it will not take too much out of you but it's still going to be an interesting round. Every tee-shot and iron is a challenge but the greens are just too accessible, flat, wide and overall just plain easy for this to really be "work".

Redgate is a fairly decent course half of which is literally hacked out of the woods, the other half lies on a wide-open plain with very few trees, bordered by public roads and private land. I would almost call it a low-rent course but that would be a little harsh. It's long enough, challenging enough and so forth to be a legitimate "18-hole course" but it's not anything special, in any way. In terms of the layout and course conditions I'd be generous to give it a 3 out of 5. If you're rusty and/or you just want to get out in the area and and hit some balls without paying a lot of money (one thing about this course is that it's fairly cheap) and you don't mind some really basic, crazzy holes that look like someone just walked into a field, mowed the grass in a circle and plunked a flagstick down in the middle to make a green...of course they are not all like that, but not much better...it's not a bad course. I've seen courses that are in much better shape that are not as much of a challenge to play, but I haven't seen many courses in this poor of a condition that were worth playing at all. And of course, despite all that, you'll still get a fair share of social-rejects walking around with their noses in the air like they are taking time off from running their Fortune 500 companies to play here. I mean, delusion has a funny way of showing up in peoples' minds. Again folks, the fact that you can afford to play golf at a halfway-decent course doesn't make you a Kennedy. And Redgate isn't even halfway-decent. It's just a serviceable 18 hole municipal course, really. It just doesn't help to be successful in your professional life when you're obnoxious in your personal life.

This is a decent little course if you're just learning or if you're an intermediate player who just wants to get out and hit some balls and walk around. The grass and greens are usually in good shape though the course is at creek-level and occasionally gets wet. It's completely flat but still most of the holes are a decent challenge for even a moderately-skilled player. Mostly Par3's with a few Par4s sprinkled in, just one 400 yard hole, with some water on 3 holes. Still that's 3 water-shots and 3 decent drives out of 9 holes with a good mix of irons on the rest. Plus it has a nice covered driving-range and a decent pro-shop. You're not going to want to drive 50 miles to play here and it will not compete with any of the area 18-hole courses, not even with Sligo, but it's not bad and the price is commensurate.

The Black, even from the whites, is a long course. It is not flat at all and the greens are very-well guarded, with both sand and tall grass like cattails. Keeping in mind that I haven't played it for 4 years and some of the following may have changed. They don't let you use a cart. They don't let you reserve a tee-time. It was $100 for 18 holes I see it is now $125 a round. It sells-out each day by 10am. It still gets packed and slow and for this "pleasure" you need to get to the parking-lot by 5am (a lot of people will already be there), take a number from the roving staffmember to get in line when the clubhouse opens to pay for your round. It's first-come first-served. You can pay for 4, but each player has to show up when the tickets are purchased. I played there twice, it was freezing-cold once when I started at 8am in April, and boiling-hot once when I played in the summer. It is just a slog to play this course but it is ok really, not too easy and not too hard, I broke 100 on it the 2nd time that I played it & my game wasn't nearly as good then as now. It is more of a physical & mental challenge than a shotmaking challenge, except for the approach-shots. The greens demand real accuracy or you'll spend all day hacking out of the bunkers and areas of tall grass around the greens, if you can find your ball in the grassy-areas and get to it (I have never played a course before or since which had this "feature"). But the fairways are mostly open, almost too open, on most of the holes you can spray shots and still remain in play as long as you can find your ball. And you will meet a lot of people hunting for their ball, walking around the entire time, and this is why it takes so long to play a round. So 5-1/2hrs later when you finlly climb up to the 18th green, pitch out of one of the 8 deep bunkers guarding both sides of the long, narrow sloping elevated 18th green and then 3-putt in a chaotic scramble as the 4some behind you waits 100ft down below the green for you to get off, you get to say that you've played a U.S. Open course. You can even play it from the back tees and have a good time banging the ball around, hitting a lot of long-irons and struggling to get on the greens when you miss approach-shots. If you can break 90 on this course then you should be proud, but it really isn't that hard where I can say that if you can score well on it then you're really good. It's not that hard. Not too easy, not too hard. Just a long, expensive walk in a hilly park. One of the good things about it is that it does get a lot of decent players (you have to be a seriously-dedicated golfer to play this course) so unless you are a scratch golfer you will have some decent competition if you play single or double.

I think about all this and I realize that I'll probably never play this course again. I've played it twice. That was enough.