The U.S. Open boiled over on Saturday at Shinnecock Hills due to unexpected winds and firm greens.  (David Cannon/Getty Images) From left, Hall of Famer Nick Price talks with the USGA's Mike Davis and Mark Newell and Shinnecock Hills Superintendent Jonathan Jennings.  (Bradley S. Klein/Golf Advisor ) Nick Price, Mike Davis and Mark Newell set the pins at Shinnecock Hills during the 2018 U.S. Open.  (Bradley S. Klein/Golf Advisor )

My Take: The legacy of Shinnecock Hills, USGA at the 2018 U.S. Open



Note to the USGA: It’s time to stop trying to micro-manage the U.S. Open. Certainly not Shinnecock Hills.

I’m not talking about the infrastructure of what amounts to a football stadium for a week – traffic, spectators, the media and the all-important parking. Someone has to do that planning, and the professionals on staff at Golf House pretty much know their way around that stuff.

I’m talking about the art and science of setting up the golf course. All week we heard and saw evidence that the USGA field staff and the crew under Superintendent Jonathan Jennings had matters in hand in terms of the layout. As it turns out, the golf course held up well in terms of turf quality and consistency. The greens kept their cover, and for surfaces that were 60-70 percent Poa annua rolled well, even if there was the occasional, unavoidable bumpiness. Even when things got dicey Saturday afternoon, the putting surfaces held up well in terms of roll.

The problem, once again, was not with the agronomy but with the setup of some of the hole locations. Three bad cup placements - on the 13th, 14th and 15th holes - proved susceptible to winds twice as hard as anticipated that afternoon.

Brooks Koepka, who successfully defended his U.S. Open title, was among the players who did not give in to the wave of negativity about the course that started with Zach Johnson’s comments Saturday afternoon that the USGA “lost” the golf course. It gets tiring listening to these guys forget that working for a $12-million purse is supposed to be hard work. They have come to expect flawless, predictable uniformity week after week and expect that from the USGA as well. They were joined by too many journalists who are not sufficiently skilled in the nuances of course design and agronomy and who are looking for something controversial to write or comment about.


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The real issue is that modern championship golf exists at a level that involves sheer power, extreme technical skill and precision, with very little slack in the system for uncertainty. When you’re cutting plant tissue down to under one-tenth of an inch (0.095-inch, to be precise) you have very little wiggle room. Unlike other championship sites like Augusta National Golf Club and Oakmont Country Club that are kept on the edge, Shinnecock Hills sits on a sand base. It drains more quickly and is prone to more varied winds than those two venues.

The power and precision that golf athletes rely upon affords them considerable mastery over their playing field. If you think about golf as a sport with offense and defense, the simple way to put it is that the precarious balance of power between offensive skills (distance, accuracy) threatens each week to overwhelm the protection afforded architects and superintendents through their means of defense via ground contour, distance and surface speed.

The USGA effectively failed to get ahead of the players and equipment manufacturers in bottling up the technology of the power game. They are now reduced to trying to reign in the advantages of skilled players, and they are doing it with course setups that allow for precious little flex. All it takes is a turn in the weather or a mistake of three feet in a hole location and you see the absence of any slack in the defensive system.

USGA field staff members compensated on Sunday for their mistakes of Saturday by watering down the course and using sensible, middle-of the green hole locations most of the way. The results were striking. Ricky Fowler went from 84 Saturday to 65 Sunday. The average score dropped three shots: 75.3 to 72.2. There were only two scores under par Saturday. On Sunday, there were 15, including Tommy Fleetwood’s 63, only the sixth in U.S. Open history.

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It should not have been that hard to let the players play golf. Yet Shinnecock Hills makes that difficult because structurally, the golf course does not provide much margin for error in setup.

The club did a phenomenal job since 2004 in reclaiming its old William Flynn-designed layout of 1931. Trees came down to expose alternative lines of play, though this also allowed more ambient wind to come through. The native roughs were restored. Fairways were widened out to something approximating their intended shape. But it’s the green expansion that ironically proved a problem, because greens were pushed back out from 5,500 square feet on average to 7,000 square feet. Those reclaimed areas transitioned into much larger peripheral rollouts. Low-mow areas replaced dense rough that had surrounded the greens. That meant that marginal shots rolled out and away more than ever, exaggerating the effects of wayward approaches.

Davis extolled the green expansion work, claiming that it provided "25-to-30 percent" more hole locations. But the process of the greens reclamation included areas that had been built up over the years with sand splash from greenside bunkers and that had distorted or raised some of the original green surfaces. Ironically, the newfound flexibility of setup brought those areas closer into play, effectively reducing the margin of error for the setup team.

Just ask Phil Mickelson, who obviously made a point on Saturday at the 13th hole of registering his displeasure with the setup. In doing do, he made a mockery of the rules. USGA returned serve by making a mockery of a ruling in punishing him only two strokes for hitting a moving ball (Rule 14-5) when they could have invoked Rule 1-2 and disqualified him for his breach.

It will be interesting to see how the club and the USGA move forward in prepping for the 2026 U.S. Open at Shinnecock Hills. Having more precise measurement techniques for setup – firmness meters, moisture level monitors, Stimpmeter readings – won't solve the problem without more common sense. It would help if course setup highlighted the complexity and intrigue of playing surfaces and hazards without regard for score. You cannot prevent the world’s best players from scoring well – unless you squeeze the life out of the golf course.

Jun 18, 2018



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Nick 's avatar
Nick wrote at 2018-06-26 19:40:51+00:00:

If the usga followed their rules they would have had to disqualified themselves and Michelson. Also the course is not the same in the afternoon as it is in the morning. Just enough moisture to get thru the morning. Before TV $ the leaders earned the right to tee off in morning like most things golf the lower score earns the honors.

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W. Cosgrove wrote at 2018-06-25 04:40:21+00:00:

As a gentleman Phil made his point and then should have withdrawn.

A flip of the coin and start times should not dictate outcomes. Admittedly, I haven’t seen the analysis but did one group outperform the other? Setup needs to primarily reduce the variations to a degree possible between the earl-late and late-early groups. If the course is that on the edge, changes in conditions unfairly penalize one group over another.

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R. B. Bryer wrote at 2018-06-22 19:28:47+00:00:

At the risk of sounding simplistic, I have been playing the game as long as Gary Player (we were at prep school together and continued right through high school) which put me in an almost forgotten era and the first rule i ever was taught is "Play the ball as it lies". Having said this it makes no difference if the course/s are easy or tough - just remember that it's the same for everybody!

Brooks Koepka won, simply because he never took his eye off the finishing post and that is the main component of "being competitive".

I say: "Don't lay blame with the USGA"

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Deb Payson wrote at 2018-06-22 00:49:39+00:00:

Well said! A very disappointing tournament thanks to ridiculous pin placements combined w/wind

Nick's avatar
Nick wrote at 2018-06-21 19:53:44+00:00:

It's the ball! The U.S.G.A. could have the manufacturers make Open balls that go the distance that the balls traveled the distance that balls traveled when the older courses opened. Simple done deal.

Curtis Elliott's avatar
Curtis Elliott wrote at 2018-06-21 17:56:16+00:00:

I think the USGA course solution is simpler than all the comments and opinions suggest. I believe the USGA should set up a golf course as hard and tough as possible to test the best player. I don't care if the greens become as hard a airport runways and don't hold one bit. BUT GOLF GREENS ARE GREENS - AND THEY SHOULD STAY GREEN, NOT BROWN. As long as the USGA keeps the greens green they should make it as hard as humanly possible. If I were a member of the host club, I would be quite angry that the USGA almost killed off my club's greens to manipulate an artificial outcome. It is not that complicated.

Tom 's avatar
Tom wrote at 2018-06-25 16:59:37+00:00:

On that same note, the USGA turned a beautiful course (Chambers Bay) into a dirt track for there own sake. I agree, hard and fast but green greens.

USGA owes a lot to the game.

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david morris wrote at 2018-06-21 14:29:23+00:00:

The pros & PGA tour hate that the US Open isn't run by them.

So they do their utmost to whine, bitch, & moan, esp about the course selected for them to play. 20 years ago they whined, bitched & moaned about the collars of rough around the greens, saying it took the art of chipping out of their hands. Fast forward to the present day & the collars of rough around the greens have gone, to be replaced with fringes & run-off areas.

For sure an opportunity to showcase their chipping skills, but they still whine, bitch & moan.

Pros won't be happy until they run the T'ment & can set the courses up to manufacture winning scores of 20+ under par.

Connie's avatar
Connie wrote at 2018-06-21 13:06:17+00:00:

I have played in a few USGA run tournaments. They are run by volunteers and amateurs...and it shows. Give someone a little bit of power and they will exert it. That is what happened here. Artificial manipulatuon of a normally already difficult course was unneccessary. We all think we play the same courses as the pros. Think again.

C. R. Clemmons's avatar
C. R. Clemmons wrote at 2018-06-20 15:03:21+00:00:

The USGA elites will never accept their U. S. Open failures. Tricking up the great courses of yesteryear will never provide venues to match modern equipment. I was among the patrons left in the cold waiting for one of too few shuttles at the previous Pebble Open. It was instructive to observe the blue jackets enter limos and get wisked past us. The USGA operates not for its members, nor golf fans, nor professionals, but for the few at the top. We peasants can only hope that this royal group will one day be replaced.

Vince's avatar
Vince wrote at 2018-06-20 14:37:54+00:00:

Great article. This is the best information and interruption of what happened at the U S Open. As far as Phil is concerned it is my opinion he made two mistakes, #1 he never should done what he did and #2 he just should have said "I was frustrated and I lost control". It was when he started trying to justify what he did, talking about saving strokes is when it when all down hill.

Mike Pavone's avatar
Mike Pavone wrote at 2018-06-19 23:45:06+00:00:

To me , the US Open is the Indy 500 , the Daytona 500 of golf tournaments during the season . The course should be harder than all others in it's setup . it plays the same for everyone and no one should complain . I get it that they will be upset at the difficulties they face but that's why it's The US Open . This is the one that should leave very little room for error . Please USGA make sure it always stays that way .

Jim B Read's avatar
Jim B Read wrote at 2018-06-19 23:09:54+00:00:

Wow...I cannot believe the amount of animous on both sides of this issue. Golf should be tough in national championship and of course mistakes will be made by those who set up the course and holes. And of course the weather will always be an issue. But please...this is a game, not life and death. Just watch and enjoy or do not watch at all but please focus on something more important than where 3 holes were located in a freaking golf tournament or on whether someone wasaking a statement or taking advantage of a rule. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference.

Ray Moreno's avatar
Ray Moreno wrote at 2018-06-19 22:39:26+00:00:

Its not that either. The challenge should be about skill and not about luck. An example, Rickie Fowler on third round shot an 84, then on the last shot a 65. Bad luck on one day and good on the next. Now most of the leaders were those who I expected to be there, but a few shots bad were people who should not. Put a club in a monkey's hand and it should not have a chance to win. Between the wind and pin location (where more skill than is reasonable to expect even from pros), the course was not adequately separating the better players from the best.

C Lambeth's avatar
C Lambeth wrote at 2018-06-19 20:49:38+00:00:

Sent the following to the USGA on Sunday:

Sirs:

I never thought that I would see the USGA become detrimental to the game of golf and its popularity. The US Open is our national championship. It should be the standard of golf competition in determining excellence in play. Yesterday’s USGA setup of the course, regardless of the unpredictability of weather, exceeded the concept of determining championship play by championship requirements to succeed in that determination. The public saw a tricked-up layout of a wonderful tract that eliminated ability from the contest.

The USGA’s excessive actions were detrimental to the USGA’s reputation and the game of golf. Though it may take extended time to modify the damage to our great game, please do everything necessary to begin the healing process.

Thanking you for your consideration,

(name)

June 17, 2018

Tom's avatar
Tom wrote at 2018-06-19 19:46:21+00:00:

If the USGA didn't screw up Saturday as the article tries to make us believe, then why did they over correct the course set up on Sunday. These courses, their members and their course designers get off on the high scores recorded. I'm a 7 handicap and I know I probably wouldn't have broke 100 on Saturday. This also leads to public courses thinking they need to set up their courses by putting all 18 holes in their most difficult pin placements, which then lead to slow play and customer dissatisfaction. Lastly the U.S. Open is my least favorite tournament to watch every year because of this.

Bob's avatar
Bob wrote at 2018-06-19 19:27:01+00:00:

How can you hit a ball so deep in grass you can not see it?

Per Phil

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billybaroo55 wrote at 2018-06-19 18:04:11+00:00:

I am old enough to remember the Massacre at Wingedfoot , where the winning score was +4 by Hale Irwin. There have been complaints since then, some justified. It is shame that things got out control on Saturday afternoon, because it was two different courses on Saturday, a playable morning course and a monster afternoon course. But does happen from time to time.

I am not sure what can be done. But I was wondering if a Par 4, 511 seems a bit long, couldn't a short par 4 with a restricted landing area near the green and a well guarded or smaller green be more interesting. I remember when Michael Campbell won the 2005 at Pinehurst #2 , there were two short par fours that gave the players fits. In fact I think Tiger messed up one of those par 4's and it ended up costing him the title.

Wayne's avatar
Wayne wrote at 2018-06-19 17:43:27+00:00:

I won't watch PGA Golf anymore if Phil or Tiger are involved. I cannot stand to watch low-life cheaters prosper. I won't watch Champions Golf anymore if Langer, McCarron or Wosnam are involved for the same reason. Hello LPGA. The only venue with integrity and honesty left to us, notwithstanding Lexi Thompson, of course.

Tom's avatar
Tom wrote at 2018-06-19 19:50:04+00:00:

How is what Phil did cheating. If you believe his explanation then he was just taking advantage of the rules. My self I don't believe his explanation, but feel in the moment of frustration he was saying a big well deserved F U to the USGA.

tom's avatar
tom wrote at 2018-06-19 17:16:46+00:00:

as much as I like Phil, he should have been disqualified. what happens next time when it is someone not as famous as Phil??

Tom's avatar
Tom wrote at 2018-06-19 17:13:13+00:00:

As a TV viewer, it's not enjoyable to watch good shots being penalized.

MENoonan's avatar
MENoonan wrote at 2018-06-19 16:42:23+00:00:

Michelson was a disgrace to the game . Should have ben disqualified

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andy andrews wrote at 2018-06-19 16:01:07+00:00:

No PGA pro should have to play in the US Open on such a foul ball course. Move the Open somewhere else. Make the course difficult-fine. It should also be fair for all players. No one can control the wind but Saturday was a sad joke.I would like to hear from Jack Nicklaus regarding this Open.

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Anthony Eden wrote at 2018-06-19 15:58:40+00:00:

Don't excuse Phil Mickelson by saying he was making a point. He knew he was morally cheating and will always now be thought of in my book as a cheat. My two memories will be of some fantastic golf on the Sunday and congrats to Brook Keopka but more than that the sickening sight of Phil Mickelson prancing around and smiling to the crowd on Sunday. He obviously knew he'd got away with it and has no pride.

Bob's avatar
Bob wrote at 2018-06-19 15:47:54+00:00:

Worst golf course I have ever seen for pro players especially greens. most of shots hitting on greens rolled off. If I was a pro I would never play on that course again.

Mark's avatar
Mark wrote at 2018-06-19 15:40:37+00:00:

The 1st 2 days were fine but Saturday was a joke . It allowed the morning guys in 45th place to tie for first and the leaders had no chance in shooting a low score. Make the course very very hard but don’t make it so the best players in the world hit a perfect shot and hope it doesn’t roll 40ft off the green. Then they over compensated and made it too easy on Sunday. Fowler 84 Saturday,65 Sunday.... Fleetwood 78 Saturday,63 Sunday come on get realistic. On top of that you have Fox sports who did a horrific job as always on golf. I play a lot of golf 150-200 rounds a year and the USGA ruined the Open.

Shinnecock Hills is a great golf course no need to trick it up.

Congrats to Koepka a great champion but please make it a realistic test next year and not guessing and hoping golf.

Rich's avatar
Rich wrote at 2018-06-19 15:16:48+00:00:

Wow. Can't believe how many comments came out. I think the USGA really struck a nerve with the golf community. I feel like the Open continues to decline in prestige year after year. If this was a business selling a manufactured product, you bet there would be some changes at the top. I was blown away by the Joe Buck comments. I thought I was the only one that felt that way. Can't wait until Fox's contract is up. Let's leave the final decision up to the players. They are the ones that really matter. Let's see what Jack Nicklaus has to say in the next few days. I think you might be surprised.

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Barry Silverstein wrote at 2018-06-19 14:54:17+00:00:

I was at the tournament as a spectator all 7 days (including the practice rounds). I thought the course was fair, and that the players often lacked the creativity and imagination to play from the rollout areas or to hit properly into the greens in the correct position with the wind conditions. The entire complaints about the USGA come down to 2 or 3 hole placements on Saturday, when the wind howled in the afternoon. Koepka was a deserving winner, never losing his nerve. Mickelson was the loser, can anyone imagine Hogan, Snead, Nicklaus, Palmer, Woods and the other all-time greats make such a bush league move? No way.

Will2Live's avatar
Will2Live wrote at 2018-06-19 17:35:57+00:00:

Totally agree & well said. All this whining about Satur if way overblown imo, there was still plenty of shots going into the greens and holding even under the condition. If greens were so bad why did you still see ball makes, why because it wasnt, they just put a few pins in the wrong darn place for the high winds they didnt plan on. Fact is it is suppose to be hard, and yeah we all know morning will be easier then afternoon play but that is what you get when you are at the top of the leader board. that being said no one can know when weather condition change to something that was not forecast or planned. Like seriously does anyone think if the USGA knew those winds we gonna pick up like that they would have put the pins on 13, 15 & 18 in those location...highly unlikely.

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PBwell wrote at 2018-06-19 14:52:18+00:00:

My view as a retired superintendent is the USGA is more willing to cross the line than not get to it. There are some things we just can't control and ignoring that fact is where errors occur. In trying to exercise complete control of the tournament, they lost control, again. There are uncontrollable factors, it is predictable. "Whether its cold or whether its hot, there'll be weather, whether or not."

Don Purvis's avatar
Don Purvis wrote at 2018-06-19 14:18:17+00:00:

Regardless of condition Mickelson should have been disqualified. No excuse for his behavior.

csmwalker's avatar
csmwalker wrote at 2018-06-19 13:18:52+00:00:

To all,

I read these comments based on the Senior Writer Article and most of what I read is straying away from the main points of the article, here are the bottom lines:

The USGA effectively failed to get ahead of the players and equipment manufacturers in bottling up the technology of the power game. They are now reduced to trying to reign in the advantages of skilled players, and they are doing it with course setups that allow for precious little flex.

and

You cannot prevent the world’s best players from scoring well – unless you squeeze the life out of the golf course.

This is my 2 cents from a cranky old retired Command Sergeant Major.....

John Kobe's avatar
John Kobe wrote at 2018-06-19 13:06:54+00:00:

Everyone plays the same course. It is fair from that perspective. I enjoy seeing these guys scoring a little more like the rest of us. The US Open is the hardest. You know that going in. Use your skill and adapt. Apparently Koepka was able to figure it out 2x in a row.

tom's avatar
tom wrote at 2018-06-19 13:29:05+00:00:

No they did not all play the same course. The morning times on Sat. played an entirely different course than did the afternoon times.

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Mike colasanti wrote at 2018-06-19 13:00:06+00:00:

I think the life was squezzed out of the course in order to keep scores down. Drop the course from the rotation altogether.

Cliff's avatar
Cliff wrote at 2018-06-19 12:12:11+00:00:

Does anyone think that the greatest golfers of all time: Nicklaus, Palmer, Hogan, etc. would have complained about the setup of the course? They would have gone about their business and recognized that they were playing to beat the other players--who are playing the same course. And as for the "different" course Saturday morning vs Saturday afternoon--of course. Sometimes it rains and the wind blows for the morning grouping and it's sunny for the afternoon; sometimes the opposite. The game is played outdoors and all games have some element of luck: good or bad. "Oh, that bounce into the bunker was unfair--player X hit right near the same spot and his ball bounced onto the green--the USGA screwed up" Nicklaus once said that when he heard a player complaining about the course and conditions he knew that he had that player beaten already--I think he was a wise man--

Ron's avatar
Ron wrote at 2018-06-19 14:24:03+00:00:

did you talk to Nicklaus ,Palmer , Hogan ? I never get how someone can exalt on how anyone else would think without an interview and hear it from the "horses" mouth...it's a meaningless statement bent on your own opinion.

Myself and golf friends actually found this Open very boring.......in our opinion it went way too far in trying to make the best players in the world look BAD. If that is what you like they may as well play the baseball All star game with a 500 foot fence and the hitter using a chopstick to bat with

Anne Bailey's avatar
Anne Bailey wrote at 2018-06-19 12:06:51+00:00:

I thought Mickelson was justified in his frustration to highlight the ridiculous conditions at Shinnecock. All excuses aside, the course was nearly impossible to play, and the USGA deserves its black eye. And by the way "prima donna" is the correct spelling.

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Simon Cheung wrote at 2018-06-19 12:06:44+00:00:

DQ Michelson will set the right example on how the rules of golf is being uphold, not changing based on the popularity of the golfer and how much they will draw the crowd. Black and White, the key word is “intend”, rule 14-5 apply to a moving ball being hit unintentionally, Rule 1-2 specify his intentions of interfering with the natural path of the ball while it is still moving so DQ is the outcome!

Nick's avatar
Nick wrote at 2018-06-19 12:53:27+00:00:

Amateurs playing in their sectional tournaments would have been DQ'd if they pulled a stunt like that...he lost his cool and once again ego trumped sportsmanship.

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David Lovit wrote at 2018-06-19 11:54:45+00:00:

I am an avid golfer. I love watching all the majors, especially the US Open. Every year there seems to be blame on the USGA. Every professional plays the same course. What ever the conditions, as the weekend progresses, the lower scores play later and sometimes see the worst of conditions. The reason I love the US Open is the best in gold are tested. Seeing a pro shoot 15-20 under every weekend, if you are a true golf fan, gets boring. It is great to see a pro struggle like us amateurs due on a weekly basis. We , as fans , get to see their creativity and short game skills. In the US Open, typically , you see the best man win that week, regardless of conditions. Keopka, this year and last played the best and deserved to win. This open , like last years, had ample width fairways which gave these bombers plenty of room to blast their drives. I wish we amateurs , could play courses that are the condition the pros play, irregardless of difficulty. The whole intrigue about golf is the challenge.

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Bischofberger wrote at 2018-06-19 11:14:48+00:00:

Miie Davis, in my opinion is to step down as he has proven repeatedly how inefficient his approach to setting up championship caliber golf is. Look at Chambers Bay: he hasn't learned a thing from his poor decision making. How many chances does he get? I wrote to the USGA numerous times after the fiasco at Chambers Bay, nobody cared to respond. An unhealthy leadership using personal needs to drive the process. Kurt

DWC's avatar
DWC wrote at 2018-06-19 10:26:27+00:00:

Well written as usual, Brad and by an acknowledged expert in course design. It appears most of these journalists lose sight of the fact that the U.S. Open is a national championship and therefore should be a stern test. Ditto for a lot spoiled PGA Tour players.

Mschule's avatar
Mschule wrote at 2018-06-19 12:20:14+00:00:

I agree wholeheartedly,watching the pros shoot 18 under is not enjoyable.They are the cream of the crop and should be tested to the 9th degree

Richard's avatar
Richard wrote at 2018-06-19 09:21:16+00:00:

This side of the pond conversation have been interesting. Yes you have a responsibility to make a course playable and fair but we are dealing with elite players in the worlds best competitions they expect to be challenged.

They start with all the cards, Best skill levels, best support systems, Best equipment top venues, top courses. They should take that and accept the challenge put in front of them adapt use all their powers to overcome what is presented and if they fail then let us hope it is not because the organisers have not been caught with their pants down. I thought it was riveting watching.

David M 's avatar
David M wrote at 2018-06-19 08:42:51+00:00:

Spectators and TV viewers in the main do not want to see players struggling to make a respectable score i.e. Within a couple of shots off par, they want to see birdies and eagles. Changing weather conditions particularly on links style courses bring additional problems but weather forecasting now is so good in the short term that those who set up the courses know what conditions are going to be like, they should adjust set ups accordingly.

Mschule's avatar
Mschule wrote at 2018-06-19 12:22:03+00:00:

Par is the standard

Thomas's avatar
Thomas wrote at 2018-06-19 08:03:30+00:00:

This article is too kind to the USGA. There is no doubt that a number of spectators want to see the golf playing elite fail. These people must have enjoyed the US Open this year but hopefully they are a minority. Most of us want to see these pros play shots that we can only dream to achieve. That is why the Masters was so fun to watch. It is a tough course by any standard and certain players will have melt downs but it is and was a spectacle of golf that the public love to watch. Comments such as "The premodona s of golf just can't handle the types of courses most of us everyday golfers must endure" or " too bad they had to play on every day greens" these are utterly non sensical. This gentleman should play with one of these players and on course with similar stimpmeter readings and they would soon realise just how good the pros really are. The USGA got it wrong because they brought in a formidable amount of luck into the equation. There is no doubt that in all sports luck comes into it but when luck is the predominant reason why you might make or miss a put or when the luck of your start time makes such a difference to the potential result , then the game is no longer interesting. It is not fun watching pros hack at a course for three days, miss 1 foot puts left right and centre and then finally play well on the last. The problem is that there is a lack of accountability. In other jobs if leadership messed up so badly they would be fired. Here most of the media are making mild comments so the same people who made these mistakes will continue to make others. The US Open 2018 was not a great spectacle of golf. It was very disappointing and many golfers stopped watching because the show was not there to watch. Koepka did a great job but who knows where he would have ended if all the players had had a level playing field. The fact is that U.S. Open final round coverage saw the third-lowest viewership ever. Well done USGA you really did everything to hurt the game. Thankfully US players are so good and on the whole fun to watch that hopefully these players will manage to stop the terminal decline that golf is suffering in the USA and in many other countries. Certainly don't count on the USGA they continuously demonstrate total and utter incompetence.

Bischofberger's avatar
Bischofberger wrote at 2018-06-19 11:17:55+00:00:

Amen to that comment! Kurt

PS: Mike Davis must step down, he is not worthy being the President of the USGA!

Mike colasanti 's avatar
Mike colasanti wrote at 2018-06-19 13:04:39+00:00:

Well written

Ron's avatar
Ron wrote at 2018-06-19 14:27:54+00:00:

Well put! Totally agree

Dennis's avatar
Dennis wrote at 2018-06-19 07:02:18+00:00:

The premodona s of golf just can't handle the types of courses most of us everyday golfers must endure....and with their hyper technology equipment, caddies, personal trainers, swing coaches, pre game analysis and more and yet they have to whine! Really? They are acting like a bunch of country club snobs that have never played a public lincs course.....they wouldn't make it in our neighborhood.....we live every day on our courses with conditions equal or worse than Shinacock.....and enjoy the challenge. Big babies! Dennis...San Francisco fireman retired.

DWC's avatar
DWC wrote at 2018-06-19 10:29:39+00:00:

Right on!!

Malky's avatar
Malky wrote at 2018-06-19 07:00:26+00:00:

Phil should have been DQ'd end of ,yet another ruling going for the player ,he should have withdrawn.

Uwe Marschke's avatar
Uwe Marschke wrote at 2018-06-19 06:03:43+00:00:

Take the challenge or not!

The target is to be the best, including mental ballance.

To win the major battle by +5 is a honor - the players have to realize.

Bob Swindells's avatar
Bob Swindells wrote at 2018-06-19 05:56:07+00:00:

The US Open has become a joke..but for tradition and history it wouldn't even be a major the way its handled. I dont undestand the USGA's need to make the course so outrageously difficult but that wasn't the biggest problem with the US Open. To me the problem is playing on a course so affected by weather that the participants play on vastly different tracks even in the 10 hour window of play on a given day.

The only thing missing Saturday afternoon was a windmill and a clowns mouth but if the entire field had played the the same carnival golf conditions then so be it. That wasn't the case though. What do you think chances of not one but two guys making up 11 strokes to tie for the lead would be if all players had similar conditions...none.

Howard's avatar
Howard wrote at 2018-06-19 05:53:38+00:00:

I don't recall ever seeing so many shades of green (and perhaps other colors) on the putting surfaces as I saw on Sunday.

Joe 's avatar
Joe wrote at 2018-06-19 05:22:28+00:00:

The USGA needs to be banned from ever running a golf tournament. Watch golf to see players play golf, not listen to comments about the course for 4 hours. It's the only sport that talks more about the venue than the actual play. Steph Curry makes a half court three, do they talk about the condition of the flooring, Sosa hits a home run, do they talk about the height of the outfield grass? You get the picture. Who gives a rats ass what the score of the winning player was? The Open is about the golfers not the course, can they get that through their thick skulls? The Old Farts say their "protecting the sport", no they're ruining it, tournament by tournament. I loved what Phil Mickelson did! Showed them how idiotic their course set up really was. None of the other Majors Mickey Mouse their courses for Championship play, lose your fragile egos and follow suit. And oh yeah, I didn't watch one minute of the final days golf, I was too embarrassed.

Ray's avatar
Ray wrote at 2018-06-19 04:47:23+00:00:

I know I may upset some people but I did not watch any of the US OPEN and had no intentions to do so. The LPGA was on and I prefer watching them on TV over the men at any time. The MASTERS is about the only PGA tournament that I try to watch and that is because of the course and not the ones playing. The LPGA members know how to play golf without having big egos and get along with each other like humans should. The PGA has too many members that are cry babies and too many that think they are the best. The biggest problem with the membership as I see it is that the purses are at least twice as big as they should be. Changing the equipment so they can not hit a ball over 300 yards may also help.

Chrono's avatar
Chrono wrote at 2018-06-19 05:09:09+00:00:

Wow, I thought I was probably alone in holding the exact same view. To add: the whole Fedex Cup thing is so over the top that it is nauseating.

Stewart's avatar
Stewart wrote at 2018-06-19 16:36:49+00:00:

Bravo & Ditto

IAN's avatar
IAN wrote at 2018-06-19 04:00:00+00:00:

The USGA ruined the US OPEN, the Saturday set up did not allow for tough but fair golf but rather luck became the major factor to scores. Having seen them screw it up in 2004, they should have known the issues. Golfers that should have been in the hunt Sunday no longer were based on the joke called the Saturday round. Everyone comments on Phil's action but it would never have happened if the USGA had not screwed this up so badly. I refused to watch on Sunday, first time I have missed a round in a long long time.

Janine DeMartini's avatar
Janine DeMartini wrote at 2018-06-19 03:07:15+00:00:

Please can we have the Golf Channel back covering these major events? Enough of Joe Buck pretending

he knows golf.

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GolferAZ1 wrote at 2018-06-19 03:24:10+00:00:

Roger That! Maybe John Madden can be called out of retirement and offer up insights such as, "If Dustin Johnson wants to win this thing, he is going to have to finish with fewer strokes than the other guys."

To Joe Buck's credit, he can talk while both inhaling and exhaling, all the while saying nothing of value to the viewers.

Don's avatar
Don wrote at 2018-06-19 04:51:46+00:00:

But keep Azinger !! And keep smar Nantz far, far away.my

John A's avatar
John A wrote at 2018-06-19 03:05:00+00:00:

In addition to all the other problems, the US Open has become the least interesting and exciting tournament to watch on tv. When the Masters is on you don't want to miss a single shot. Every hole is likely to yield a birdie, and the score can change rapidly in an exciting way. For the US Open it's a dull slog by comparison. This one wasn't as bad as the one at Merion, which I watched very little of, and just for the record, the one at Erin Hills was fun to watch. (Pros hitting 300 yard 3-woods into the par 5's...wow!) Since the fans and the tv audience are ultimately what pays for the tournament, you would think that the USGA would give those groups some consideration. But since it's the USGA, they most likely won't.

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t barton wrote at 2018-06-19 03:03:02+00:00:

on some putts the ball jumped 1" off the ground within the first foot and bounced some more on the way to the cup.

not good if you wanted to give the ball a chance to hit the bottom of the cup.

Don's avatar
Don wrote at 2018-06-19 04:53:28+00:00:

Too bad they had to play on oir every-day grrens. Poe-Annua ? Love it or stop bitching, at least

David's avatar
David wrote at 2018-06-19 03:01:23+00:00:

If I wanted to see a bunch of guys play like I do, then I’d just watch our golf group. I want to see great shots and the greens hold those shots. It’s no fun to see struggles that look like me. Grow the rough but leave the greens alone. Don’t get so caught up with the score being par. Nobody cares but the USGA,

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Dennis Peskey wrote at 2018-06-19 02:51:11+00:00:

It just wasn't fun watching this tournament. The course was rediculous in the setup; I derive no pleasure in watching the best golfers be humiliated by the greens and pin placements. Golf is a hard sport to play - we know that. Making it impossible does not serve the best interests of the sport. Who needs that much aggrevation when you could go bowling and drink beer.

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Tim smith wrote at 2018-06-19 02:40:46+00:00:

USGA doesn't follow their own suggestions on pin placements, Google it. Do you think someone watching how hard golf is by watching the best in the world struggle and look foolish is going to go buy clubs? This is growing the game? ?

John K's avatar
John K wrote at 2018-06-19 02:40:36+00:00:

What ever happened to just shrinking the fairways and raising the rough.., why do you have to mess with the greens

Regsron's avatar
Regsron wrote at 2018-06-19 02:20:06+00:00:

What about a statistical analysis of the average top 10 scores over previous Opens, and use this as a guide to suitability for future course selection. Personally I expect top players to beat par over 4 rounds by between at least 10 to 15 .

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Chuck McCallum wrote at 2018-06-19 01:57:40+00:00:

First you have to define common sense. The course set-up on Saturday reminded me of the bureaucrat who sits in his ivory tower office to make a critical decision. This action is made without knowledge of soil, wind, water and a simple roll test to determine if a golf ball from any green location will stay on the green when putted by world class athletes.. It appeared that a round of scotch and a hearty har, har was the order of the day!! The USGA officials are armed with more than enough technology. Perfect example of over-thinking their job!

Sandman 's avatar
Sandman wrote at 2018-06-19 01:55:40+00:00:

Although I agree with your analysis Brad , the hole locations on Saturday were acceptable in the morning but when the wind picked up and dried out the greens a few became overly difficult.

If the 72 hole championship was marred by 3 marginal hole locations for the best players in the world I say the USGA did ok and the players should shut up.

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fred dargahi wrote at 2018-06-19 01:51:40+00:00:

This US Open was what Major Golf Championship is all about. The Pros need to be precise on every shot and not much room for errors. I don't like other PGA Championship that are set up easy and let the Pros score of -10 or more.

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M. HAMNER wrote at 2018-06-19 01:44:23+00:00:

Once again our/ The US OPEN was a non kudos event for the current USGA members and CEO . Your grade: a major fail once again for the Open and for golf. One only has to LISTEN TO THE INTERVIEW WITH Chamblee, Frank, and David to find and know where true leadership AND VALUE is and it's certainly not with YOU the current non leadership of the U S OPEN and USGA -CEO body. You continue to ruin the great game and the event with your poor vision and value compromise . Golf wants and needs "playability" , "showmanship" and great "gamesmanship" not "spoils-manship " of a CEO-USGA ego less traveled IN THOUGHT AND PRACTICE.

Tomhaley's avatar
Tomhaley wrote at 2018-06-19 01:30:47+00:00:

Didn't enjoy tournament on tv. You can make any golf course which has a few hills at 6800 yards impossible for the pros to break 80. Let's stimp at 20 , grow fringes to knee high, don't water for a month and put windmills on all par 4 greens. What a sham

Jeswither's avatar
Jeswither wrote at 2018-06-19 02:46:53+00:00:

I agree. It was painful, not fun, for us fellow golfers to watch!

Briansinc's avatar
Briansinc wrote at 2018-06-19 01:18:45+00:00:

My pet peeve is everyone use the rules to their advantage like letting other people look for your ball so the clock doesn’t start to run like if you looked and good on phil

StanleyR65's avatar
StanleyR65 wrote at 2018-06-19 01:17:51+00:00:

Let the cry babies play on a course that was built on a land fill.

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Mike Foley wrote at 2018-06-19 01:15:49+00:00:

Watched the Committee on hole 7 spend well over 30 minutes picking the precise location of the pin Saturday morning.Assumed that amount of time was spent to respect the failures of the prior Open. Can’t believe that they could spend that much time at each green. Thus could one assume that not enough time was spent on other greens leading to poor decisions.

Joel's avatar
Joel wrote at 2018-06-19 01:06:34+00:00:

Mr. Arnold Palmer literally did a back flip in his grave Saturday watching "Phil the thrill" make yet another career defining moment at a US Open!!!!! Way to go Phil. Absolute disgrace to the game. Guarantee you - Arnie would've finished that hole even if it took him 15 strokes!!!!! Why - because Mr. Palmer respected the game and had class!!

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peter storti wrote at 2018-06-19 01:42:40+00:00:

Phil finished the hole according to the rules of golf. The rule was written for the specific case of hitting a ball in motion so there is a quantified response for the action, 2 stroke penalty. If Phil had been quicker and hit the ball at its closest proximity to the hole it would have been 1 stroke and a 2 stroke penalty. Not going to win many events with those penalties. There is no disgrace or shame simply counting your strokes and penalties under the rules of golf. The better decision would have been to simply declare an unplayable lie and exercise the option to replay the ball from the previous spot with a one stroke penalty.

Larry's avatar
Larry wrote at 2018-06-19 01:03:25+00:00:

2026, at the rate we are going the guys will be driving it 400 plus yards will have to grow 2 foot rough around the greens to stop the 59's.

John's avatar
John wrote at 2018-06-19 00:59:08+00:00:

The USGA needs a complete management shakeup. They need to review their relevance, priorities and strategies. I listened to an interview with USGA’s Chief Agronomist prior to the tournament and he waxed poetic about all of his tech tools they had at their disposal weather forecasting, moisture data, Thump devices etc and how they can dial in conditions. What he left out was no common sense!!!

Joe's avatar
Joe wrote at 2018-06-19 00:54:16+00:00:

make thefans happy, more difficult the better and lower the price,golfers make too much

Jack's avatar
Jack wrote at 2018-06-19 00:48:20+00:00:

The US Open is our national championship, and the course it is played on should be a true test of skill and creative shot-making. I derive no satisfaction from watching yet another -20 winner attacking a puny to mediocre course with impunity, and I note that many, many winners of US Opens past shot above par or just slightly below. As someone who has had the good fortune to actually play this course on 5-6 prior occasions, this is an incredibly difficult course even with placid conditions, and it does not deserve the specious criticism of hapless pros like Zach Johnson or the yahoos who repeatedly ruined the spectator experience with their drunken comments while the golfers were trying to conquer this monster, and who now deliver their derogatory criticisms about a course they have never played and probably never seen. While the USGA should not have tried to "trick up" these greens (and admitted as much on Sunday), their job is NOT to make the course sufficiently easy to allow some unknown to win, and I note, at the end, Brooks Koepka (2-time US Open champion), Dustin Johnson (world's #1), Patrick Reed (Masters champion), and Tommy Fleetwood (Europe's #1) were the survivors down the stretch. Cream rose to the top, and the cries of "unfairness" are nothing but a joke!

James's avatar
James wrote at 2018-06-19 01:51:57+00:00:

Couldn't agree more.Look at the biggest complainers-all losers like Zack Johnson. Nobody knew he played or cared if he played until he opened his mouth. The announcers were the worst with Golf channels Brandle Chamblee the worst. A failed professional who knows all. I have turned off many a show because he is talking. The game is not a testosterone test. It is a skills test and mental test. Phil as usual failed both. He should have been disqualified and booed off the course. Golf is played outdoors and the conditions can change on a dime on L.I. Why does know one complain about hole location or dried out courses and 30-40 mile gale force winds at St. Andrews? Because they wouldn't dare. The Scott's would simply tell them to buckle up their knickers laddie.

Doug Schiff's avatar
Doug Schiff wrote at 2018-06-19 02:30:42+00:00:

Jack: You are 100% dead on..

John's avatar
John wrote at 2018-06-19 00:43:38+00:00:

A stern test of golf shouldn’t reward the luckiest players ie tee time, etc. why not let the professional staff at the venue set the course up like they do for their club championship? Shineycock was tough enough without the USGA screwing it up.

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GolfChefJeff wrote at 2018-06-19 00:39:51+00:00:

Phil forced the USGA with his brilliant move on Saturday. He knew he was out of it but when he seen how unfair the setup was he decided to fix it himself. The guys a genius.,Phil made them water the greens and make the course playable. He should be the president of the USGA. Mike Davis needs to resign ASAP. He’s a disgrace to the golf world. What a idiot. I’m May he said we will not have a repeat of 2004. Great job you moron. Every golfer and golf fan has got to realize that Phil is bigger than the game. He saved the USGA’s Asses on Sunday.

T Mac's avatar
T Mac wrote at 2018-06-19 01:24:45+00:00:

Well stated!

James's avatar
James wrote at 2018-06-19 01:56:48+00:00:

Before he played like crap, Phil stated the course conditions were perfect. Phil is a disgrace to the game. I used to be fan, now I hope he never wins again. He acted like a child with a temper tantrum.

Bernard's avatar
Bernard wrote at 2018-06-19 00:38:09+00:00:

Good to see the pros struggle and have to think about their game.

Cocci's avatar
Cocci wrote at 2018-06-19 00:36:42+00:00:

These are professional golfers, you have to be good at your job to be the best and these are the bests. If you make a cookie cutter golf course then you would have 20 or 30 under, they are that good. I think Shinnecock put their ability to the test and it was exciting to see what was going to happen each and every day, instead of looking at the scores and say , Ya he has it , nobody is going to catch 12 or 14 strokes ahead of the second place golfer. Change he channel !

Marg's avatar
Marg wrote at 2018-06-19 00:28:34+00:00:

A group of Women and men in our golf community have found the US Open no fun to watch anymore after the setup at Shinnrjcock Hills. We sre in agreement with the players who spoke out. It was a joke and not a golf tournament of skills. It was who could make the fewest mistakes not who was a good golfer. The players and Phil did not make a mockery of the course. The people who are responsible for the couse have msde a mockery of the US Open. I will not watch next year and a group of ladies have said the same thing.

StanleyR65's avatar
StanleyR65 wrote at 2018-06-19 01:24:05+00:00:

Yes, you will watch next year.

T Mac's avatar
T Mac wrote at 2018-06-19 01:26:12+00:00:

I agree with your comments!

Jackie Bracken's avatar
Jackie Bracken wrote at 2018-06-19 00:27:57+00:00:

Love your commentary, Brad, and was waiting to hear what you had to say. I think the USGA should hire you well ahead of their next U.S.Open so they can get it right! JB

Bob Carmean's avatar
Bob Carmean wrote at 2018-06-19 00:27:10+00:00:

The greens had nothing to do with the pros mishiting from the ts, The pins being in a harder location is where they should be.

David's avatar
David wrote at 2018-06-19 00:26:26+00:00:

Welcome to the real world, the average golfer who has to contented with with much worse! If anything Shinnecock made the professionals and the everyday golfer feel human!

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JOEL GOODMAN wrote at 2018-06-19 00:19:41+00:00:

SPOILED TOUR PROS "EARN" MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR FOR PLAYING A GAME AND GET ALL BENT OUT OF SHAPE WHEN THE CONDITIONS ARE TOO TOUGH FOR THEIR USUAL 20 UNDER PAR SCORES. EVEN PAR IS THE GOAL IN THE U.S. OPEN AND THESE SPOILED LITTLE BOYS SHOULD TAKE THEIR SIX AND SEVEN FIGURE CHECKS AND SHUT UP.

GolfChefJeff's avatar
GolfChefJeff wrote at 2018-06-19 00:40:53+00:00:

Your a jackass

Paul Ranalli's avatar
Paul Ranalli wrote at 2018-06-19 01:21:47+00:00:

You're illiterate.

Doug Schiff's avatar
Doug Schiff wrote at 2018-06-19 02:33:58+00:00:

Your right!

James D Obert's avatar
James D Obert wrote at 2018-06-19 00:19:06+00:00:

Per Wikipedia, In golf, par is the predetermined number of strokes that a scratch (or 0 handicap) golfer should require to complete a hole, a round (the sum of the pars of the played holes), or a tournament (the sum of the pars of each round). With that definition in mind, I would presume that a 0 handicap or better (negative handicap) player should play the course at par or under. To me it seems like the USGA is attempting to re-define par as some other standard, such as a score THEY think is appropriate for our national championship.

As it relates to Phil's indiscretion, I prefer to think it was his notice to the USGA that they are jacking around with careers and often penalizing the better golfers who are willing and able to take riskier, or more accurate approaches to the golf course setup only to be foiled by a tricked up course setup.

Ray's avatar
Ray wrote at 2018-06-19 01:24:18+00:00:

Agree - maybe USGA should read Wikipedia!

Kevin Glenn's avatar
Kevin Glenn wrote at 2018-06-19 00:18:36+00:00:

Listen no one is saying you need to be able to score under par on every hole to have good and entertaining golf but when you place holes in locations that the best players in the world can't get close or even near or worse yet they cant keep balls on the green it makes no sense. This comes down to common sense. Yes they blew it with the set up.

George 's avatar
George wrote at 2018-06-19 00:18:03+00:00:

The us open is one of the major tournaments in golf and you have the best players in the world competing...a lot of fans pay good money to come and watch them play...maybe even follow their favourite player but when that player doesn’t even make the cut because of the conditions of the course it’s sort of disappointing.

Mike t's avatar
Mike t wrote at 2018-06-19 00:17:53+00:00:

Is absurd the way they set these courses up. If you hit a 40 foot lag putt a little hard you should not have 60 feet coming back!! On the 17th hole on Saturday, shots were landing 12-15 feet from the hole and rolling endlessly into a bunker. One third of the broadcast was watching shots endlessly rolling into trouble. Not good. I am surprised membership at Shinnecock allows their club to be used again.

Jim's avatar
Jim wrote at 2018-06-19 00:17:34+00:00:

Very disappointed in the way Mickelson handled his melt down with trying to convince us that he was so smart to use the rules in his favor. The USGA made a bad decision to not disqualify him. Mickelson should have disqualified himself. Bye, bye Rider Cup Capt.

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louleveck wrote at 2018-06-19 00:39:30+00:00:

really,and why wold you disqualify one of the best golfers in the world for giving in to the conditions of that joke of a set up a Ease up with the tensionnd introducing a little humour to this otherwise up tight game. Did you see the laugh on his playing partners face?And then the arm pump when he sunk it the next day and the crowd went wild?

GolfChefJeff's avatar
GolfChefJeff wrote at 2018-06-19 00:44:38+00:00:

Your an idiot, Phil knew exactly what he was doing, he saved the tournament for his fellow competitors, if he hadn’t done what he did on Saturday , Sunday would have been a disaster, the USGA wouldn’t have watered the course over night. Thanks to Phil’s quick thinking he made it playable on Sunday. Phil’s 100 times smarter than the average pro. Wake up asshole.

James's avatar
James wrote at 2018-06-19 02:13:53+00:00:

No the idiot is you. Phil acted like a child. A little boy had a temper tantrum. Phil does have the brain of a rock, and demonstrated a lack of integrity that destroyed his legacy, at least what is left of it. Phil constantly does stupid things and even called himself stupid and cause him a major before.

Paul Ranalli's avatar
Paul Ranalli wrote at 2018-06-19 01:24:35+00:00:

Phil had a point, but he made it the wrong way. He will regret this, over time. He greatly respects the game, but in a moment of madness he created a YouTube segment that will always diminish him as a sportsman. It's a shame.

Jim Lackritz's avatar
Jim Lackritz wrote at 2018-06-19 00:15:02+00:00:

I find it incredible that Phil was penalized only 2 strokes for his antics yet Lexi Thompson was penalized 4 strokes for playing her ball an inch off of her marking. Great consistencies in the rules

Mike Singleton 's avatar
Mike Singleton wrote at 2018-06-19 01:14:56+00:00:

Now that's funny!

John's avatar
John wrote at 2018-06-19 00:14:04+00:00:

I enjoyed watching every day of the US Open, even Saturday. They all played the same course and the weather affected Saturday afternoon. It happens. It’s an outdoor sport with enough players to span throughout the day. We certainly done want to see a smaller field and shotgun start do we? The only big mistake the USGA made last week, in mind, was not DQ-ing Phil. Phil should donate his check to the USGA with a letter of apology.

Bob Carmean's avatar
Bob Carmean wrote at 2018-06-19 00:40:39+00:00:

Right on John

GolfChefJeff's avatar
GolfChefJeff wrote at 2018-06-19 00:46:08+00:00:

Phil and outsmarted Mike Davis, he made the course playable again by forcing the USGAs hand and water the course

Mike B's avatar
Mike B wrote at 2018-06-19 11:15:07+00:00:

Let me guess....you are a BIG Phil fan! So he committed an egregious act we have only seen John Daly commit at a professional event, and he was doing it for his fellow players. I happen to like Phil, but Saturday he lowered himself to Daly's level of maturity.

Jamie Scott's avatar
Jamie Scott wrote at 2018-06-19 00:09:14+00:00:

All those defending the course set up think on this you turn up pay your money to play any course in the world and your well played shots run through greens which then cannot be piutted on the simply fact is you would be banging on the pros door demanding a refund of your fees as the course is unplayable

A Pro at The US Open is at his work for most of us that means a laptop and internet for a golf pro that means his clubs and a decent course fail to give the tools of the trade the job becomes impossible

Randolph Lucas's avatar
Randolph Lucas wrote at 2018-06-19 00:08:21+00:00:

Interesting to see how human these guys really can be when push comes to shove with the wind conditions.

David's avatar
David wrote at 2018-06-19 00:54:54+00:00:

It wasn’t how human the players were. It was inhuman the golf course was.

LES CUSHER's avatar
LES CUSHER wrote at 2018-06-19 00:04:56+00:00:

MAYBE THEY LIKE PUTT PUTT BETTER, INDOORS EVEN

Mike B's avatar
Mike B wrote at 2018-06-19 00:02:49+00:00:

The FOX broadcast wants you to think every shot can change the course of the tournament! They need to learn to let the tournament breathe a little. Never thought the difference from CBS and NBC compared to FOX could be that drastic.

Mickelson's blunder should have been addressed by a USGA phone call convincing him to withdraw or else be disqualified. He is a torchbearer of the game whether he likes it or not, and therefore must be held to a higher standard.

Shinnecock Hills has nothing to be ashamed of. Each weekend I play my local club and conditions change due to the weather the greens superintendent had to deal with that week. Pampered Touring Pros play under near perfect conditions every week. Suck it up and play the course "as it lies". Koepka did and showed he is the US OPEN Champion.

GolfChefJeff's avatar
GolfChefJeff wrote at 2018-06-19 00:50:42+00:00:

Koepka wouldn’t have won on Sunday if Phil didn’t out smart the USGA and make them water the course. Try playing Shinnecock, if your a -10’at your course on a slow greens day at Shinnecock your a -40 if your lucky. How smart is Phil, he saw the course was getting away from the USGA and in a split second knew how to make them fix it. He’s the greatest. Out smarted you too you jerk

Dodger's avatar
Dodger wrote at 2018-06-19 02:06:18+00:00:

Agree with you. "As it lies"... compare some other sporting events such as Football played without domes, or soccer matches or track events. Those that can adapt on that day or days, will generally do better than those that can only play if the stars line up to their liking.

If you are a running man(team) and the field has become slop, can you change your style of play to pull out the win? Or will you continue down the trail of tears?

Greg Polster's avatar
Greg Polster wrote at 2018-06-18 23:59:25+00:00:

I thought the course on Saturday was ridiculous. Yes it’s the US Open and everyone expects it to be tough but not unfair. Some people may have gotten a smile out of pros struggling like amateurs but I did not. If the best players in the world can’t play golf and enjoy it how are the rest of us going to look at golf. When the USGA is trying to encourage average people to play golf Saturday was a testament that golf is too hard and no fun. It’s supposed to be fun not frustrating. I was frustrated watching the best players struggle after hitting good shots and good putts that ended up 30-50 yards from their target

I think Chambers Bay and Shinnecock Hills hurt the USGA and in the long run turned some people away from golf

Randolph Lucas's avatar
Randolph Lucas wrote at 2018-06-19 00:12:54+00:00:

Two words for you! Not going to say them, but you get the gist! I'm around a 16 handicap, and I'm sure if I played in those conditions I'd be well over par, but no one complains about the British Open and it's unfairness! The players need a reality check because they're not playing for a real cheque!

GolfChefJeff's avatar
GolfChefJeff wrote at 2018-06-19 00:51:52+00:00:

The British greens run around 10 not 15/16 on stimpmeter. Wake up dude

David's avatar
David wrote at 2018-06-19 00:57:12+00:00:

I agree with Hteg Polster 100%.

Joe's avatar
Joe wrote at 2018-06-18 23:56:50+00:00:

The USGA Open prep was an imbarassment.

USGA had to prove they are macho.

No minus 15 to win.

They wanted and got blood. Every golfer looked foolish at times. Just what the USGA wanted.

Lo's avatar
Lo wrote at 2018-06-18 23:56:30+00:00:

Not a fun game to watch anymore!!! I enjoyed watching when the goals were achievable and aspireable for everyone to have a better golf game ! That’s just me and I’m entitled to my opinion. Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians! Not opinion for discussion

Ron Wills's avatar
Ron Wills wrote at 2018-06-18 23:47:26+00:00:

The winner of the 2018 US Open shot a total;of 1 over par. Par golf is when a "0" handicapper (expert) shoots the number of strokes that are designated as par for the course played. None of the 150 or so players that competed in the 2018 US Open toured the track at par for 72 holes. Some of the best players in the world fell far short of this goal and didn't make the cut. The course was too tough, as laid out and difficulty was exacerbated by terrible wind conditions on some days, and ankle to knee-deep rough around the fairways, and perilous pin placements on some holes. Golf is a great spectator sport, but it is not fun watching the best players in the world try to overcome the extremelly difficult obstacles placed before them .. .

Rich Salvatore's avatar
Rich Salvatore wrote at 2018-06-18 23:47:06+00:00:

Golf is played outside. Nature is fickle. Things happen.

Deal with it.

Dan's avatar
Dan wrote at 2018-06-18 23:45:47+00:00:

very enlightening!

Thanks

Dave's avatar
Dave wrote at 2018-06-18 23:44:12+00:00:

Why didn't Phil just take an unplayable and replay the shot from the original spot on the green? Only a one shot penalty and far less controversy.

GolfChefJeff's avatar
GolfChefJeff wrote at 2018-06-19 00:54:37+00:00:

Because in an instant he realized that the only way the USGA would remedy its failure was to do the ridiculous, it worked, they were forced to water the greens because you know they wouldn’t have if Phil didn’t pull that amazing stunt in a flash, brilliant if you really know Phil and golf

Rich's avatar
Rich wrote at 2018-06-19 02:00:46+00:00:

Yeah I’m sure the USGA wouldn’t have watered the greens after Saturday’s debacle if it wasn’t for Phil. Get real.

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peter storti wrote at 2018-06-19 01:35:17+00:00:

I agree 100% that would have been a better decision from a scoring standpoint. Instead he took a stroke and a 2 stroke penalty (3 strokes versus 1) so why is everyone so upset? Let's say everyone decides to hit the ball while moving on putts and actually runs quicker to the hole and strokes it in from its closet point. If it was a birdie putt the result is a double bogie. Not a very good result, but it is within the rules. The rule specifically addresses his action which is what the USGA cited so other rules do not come in to play. Saying that the USGA could have DQ'ed Phil is only a consideration if the rules are not being followed. Why is it a disgrace to play by the rules? It may not have been the best decision and reflected his frustration but there was no disrespect displayed.

Dave H's avatar
Dave H wrote at 2018-06-18 23:42:06+00:00:

Imagine the NBA changing the field of play just

Because it’s the Championship... Let’s reduce the

Shot clock to 18 from 24 secs.. Move 3 point line

Back another 2 ft. Let’s real test them - raise the

Basket up 3 more inches.. USGA is Stupid Stupid Stupid.. Let the fans/golfers enjoy the contest..

Steve's avatar
Steve wrote at 2018-06-18 23:40:29+00:00:

The last three US Opens have been a travesty, and by coincidence, it’s the fist three televised by Fox, which adds to the unwatchablity. I wonder how the USGA will manage to screw up Pebble.

John's avatar
John wrote at 2018-06-19 03:13:25+00:00:

Listen up Steve - I assume you have seen Holly Sonders on the Fox broadcasts - what else could you possibly want Fox to do? She is so beautiful and a golfer too!!

The USGA have lost their way - they have forgotten what it's all about. First, the fairways are far too wide and secondly the rough is not rough enough!! Get those 2 matters right and it would be a great start. It would also mean that EVERYONE in the field would be tested. Just acknowledge the fact that the par 5s on these wonderful traditional courses were NEVER designed to be reached in 2 shots. If things continue as they are then make them par 4s. Par to be no greater than 70. Better greens than we have in the last 3 years are a MUST,

I'm certain that if these changes were made in setting up US Open courses, EVERYONE would be less critical.

Nancy Tanke's avatar
Nancy Tanke wrote at 2018-06-18 23:40:21+00:00:

I was bored to tears. Not only from the play, but from the broadcast team. At least length wasn’t the main criteria of good play. I’d i want to watch failure, all I have to do is watch my own play.

chrishoe's avatar
chrishoe wrote at 2018-06-18 23:38:43+00:00:

The USGA messes it up every year why would it be any different this year?

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njdanie@hotmail.com wrote at 2018-06-18 23:33:40+00:00:

When a ball lands in the middle of the green, stays for a couple of seconds and then a gust of wind blows it off the green into a trap or pond. When you see someone putting, the ball stops right beside the hole and then rolls back off the green and doesn't stop for 30 yards, then yeah some people got some reason to complain.

I really liked the one where the guy hit out of the trap hit the pin and then the ball slowly rolled back into the sand trap.

Mike's avatar
Mike wrote at 2018-06-18 23:31:38+00:00:

Quit trying to make something out of nothing. Everyone played the same course. If you don't like it, don't play - it really is optional.

John's avatar
John wrote at 2018-06-19 00:44:57+00:00:

Am vs pm tee time differences made for much different courses

Mike's avatar
Mike wrote at 2018-06-21 00:14:58+00:00:

If it rains halfway through t-times are they supposed to halt additional starts and to let the course dry out to the same point it was before it rained ? I don't think so - yet they would be playing different courses. And this happens all the time.

David's avatar
David wrote at 2018-06-19 01:01:37+00:00:

That shows a lack of understanding of what golf is. Good shots are not supposed to be penalized. You can’t say everyone plays the same course because the setup produced a course that failed to reward skill.

Mike's avatar
Mike wrote at 2018-06-21 00:11:51+00:00:

After playing 30+ years I think I understand.

Cfj's avatar
Cfj wrote at 2018-06-18 23:27:53+00:00:

The gold course was in great shape. Fairways were wide compared to years ago. Hit it in the fairway, middle of green and two putt. Seems simple enough. Why go pin seekingnwhen you know where the tough hole locations are, or at least you should know. Oh yes, everybody played the same course, yes later on Saturday was a bit tougher but it is the price you pay for being the best. The only thing the USGA got wrong was making Sunday a PGA tournament final round. Low scoring every weekend is boring and not exciting. Watching the best have to play and be the best on the best course is where it is at!

Kelly R's avatar
Kelly R wrote at 2018-06-18 23:25:17+00:00:

I think the biggest issue with Saturday was the difference in course conditions for the first players out compared to the later groups. On a given day, the course is supposed to be relatively the same for all competitors. That can be managed by choosing sensible pin locations. What's "difficult" can become next to impossible for even the best once it's dried out along with substantial wind - which the last 2+ hours of play on Saturday resembled. I really don't care what the ultimate score is (lowest score wins). I simply think that conditions should be accounted for. You can't account for ALL conditions and extreme swings in conditions, but the changes on Saturday afternoon can not be said to be unforeseeable.

Jack McDaniel-Worcester CC's avatar
Jack McDaniel-Worcester CC wrote at 2018-06-18 23:24:56+00:00:

Brad- You make a lot of very good points. Thank you for your feedback and comments about the way the tournament was handled this year. I hope to see you again real soon

Bill's avatar
Bill wrote at 2018-06-18 23:14:47+00:00:

When good shots get bogies or worse, it's an indication that you are playing a "goat ranch". The hay fields bordering some fairways were totally ridiculous. IF you were a member at this course, you would probably drop your membership after losing a dozen ball per round in that stuff.

Albert M G Garcia's avatar
Albert M G Garcia wrote at 2018-06-18 23:13:07+00:00:

The assumption is “something went wrong” which itself is wrong. These are professional golfers who all earn their living on how they deliver their skills against the conditions of the day and of the course.

Shinnecock management made a judgement error by compromising, on the 4th day, the integrity of the course that they had set for themselves. Opinion by a rank amateur.

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GolfChefJeff wrote at 2018-06-19 00:58:39+00:00:

If the course played like it Did on Sunday on Thursday Friday and Saturday it would’ve been one of the greatest US opens and ever but no Mike Davis the CEO of the USGA screwed it up like he always does he should resign immediately and thank God Phil mickelson Had the foresight and courage to pull off when the greatest movies ever in a golf match he forced the US GA’s hand to have to water the course on Sunday and make it playable the man is a genius and nobody realizes it all these great golfers and nobody realize were filled in for them especially you idiot the fans

Gilbert's avatar
Gilbert wrote at 2018-06-18 22:53:03+00:00:

Bunch of cry babies, make that spoiled cry babies, I for one are tired of seeing scores of 20 or 26 under par. It’s a joke when they are that easy for these guys. Make them work for that 12 million dollar purse.

The first place money exceeded the whole purse for the women’s tournament the same weekend.

mike's avatar
mike wrote at 2018-06-18 22:51:01+00:00:

To all of you weekend hackers and LOW handicap golfers just listen to Ian Poulters(pure class) comments about Saturday round and course setup. And he was right in the thick of it.

Larry's avatar
Larry wrote at 2018-06-18 22:50:42+00:00:

While all the comments regarding USGA, weather, Shinnecock greens crew, horrid traffic, etc. are interesting, my most critical commentary is of the boorish fans on premises. Opponent-baiting, drunken, golf-unknowedgable, loud clowns have ruined what, for centuries, was a GENTLEMEN"S (and Ladies) wonderful game. There is no chance of ceasing alcohol sales, but there should be written Rules of behavior expected handed out to each "guest" upon entering the premises. And, the USGA, R&A, etc., must display far greater readiness to enforce the Rules of behavior.

Max's avatar
Max wrote at 2018-06-18 23:11:59+00:00:

Well said.

James's avatar
James wrote at 2018-06-18 23:16:09+00:00:

I agree complete Larry it is a gentleman's sport and should be held to the highest standard to protect the game itself!! I don't like do comment made by spectators as professional tee off!! Be respectful!!

F. Grimes's avatar
F. Grimes wrote at 2018-06-18 23:19:14+00:00:

I was only able to watch a total of maybe 90 minutes of the four days, but I was disturbed by the obnoxious fans. It’s Golf, not boxing or football.

Douglas's avatar
Douglas wrote at 2018-06-19 00:12:35+00:00:

Here here! New York fans are a disgrace, both as golf fans and as Americans. Watch the behavior next month at Carnoustie, THOSE are true golf fans!

Bill Foley's avatar
Bill Foley wrote at 2018-06-18 22:45:59+00:00:

Phil should have been disqualified.

Pat's avatar
Pat wrote at 2018-06-18 23:19:53+00:00:

Disagree. The relevant rule was applied.

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Bren Follett wrote at 2018-06-18 23:38:46+00:00:

I agree! That rule is there to deal with a situation whereby the ball moves slightly whe you are addressing it, not for someone to putt a ball on the move that could end up another 30 yards from the hole. I like Phil and know he was frustrated, but that was blatant disregard for the rule in my opinion.

Tom's avatar
Tom wrote at 2018-06-18 23:53:45+00:00:

I think it is much to do about nothing. I quit supporting the USGA years ago as I think they are ridiculous. And most of the commentators are boring. Chamblee needs to go. Poulter is a cry baby. And the USGA official would said that got fired. Everyone needs to lighten up about most everything.

David's avatar
David wrote at 2018-06-19 01:05:46+00:00:

I think Brandel Chandler and Frank Nobilo are as good as it gets.

Bob's avatar
Bob wrote at 2018-06-18 22:36:13+00:00:

Maybe the USGA should make the cut at a lower number. The final two days could be played as foursomes to even out the early and late players. Just a thought......

Tom's avatar
Tom wrote at 2018-06-18 23:50:16+00:00:

Give Phil a break, he is one of the most interesting and formidable players ever. He didn't handle this well but he was penalized, move on everyone. He is a gentleman and acts always in the best interests of the game. He signs autographs and interacts with the crowds even when the camera's are not around. Go Phil, you're forgiven!

Jim Garner's avatar
Jim Garner wrote at 2018-06-19 00:03:18+00:00:

Phil should be in jail for insider trading

Slim's avatar
Slim wrote at 2018-06-18 22:35:57+00:00:

Professional golfers have become spoiled brats! Their whining makes one not to watch golf. Why not make the course tough for the best players in the world and see who adjusts the best.

robert march's avatar
robert march wrote at 2018-06-18 22:25:26+00:00:

It was a mix of bad weather and bad hole placements, it was a true test of the pro's abilities to try and manage the course. As far a Phil's hitting the rolling put, I can understand his frustration, besides he was no where near the top 25. I believe the USGA should give consideration to some other worthy golf course for our next US OPEN.

Bob Nazario's avatar
Bob Nazario wrote at 2018-06-18 22:25:26+00:00:

This is the US Open, the most challenging of all tournaments. It’s not the run of the mill weekly play where there are 20 to 35 players all shooting 21 under down to 10 under. These are the best players on the world. I wish they would stop crying and adjust their skills to meet the challenge and play the golf course as you find it which is what the winner did.

Mkb's avatar
Mkb wrote at 2018-06-18 23:49:50+00:00:

I agree. If it was an easy day, they’d all win. I want to see them "earn" the $12mil purse. They should make all the major tournaments tough. Then the best of the best will win. It’ll be fun to watch.

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donpistotnik@gmail.com wrote at 2018-06-18 22:23:47+00:00:

This article was stupid. The course was fine the first two days. Only one player #1 in the world putting out of his mind, was able to break par. Why did the USGA think they had to make it tougher, faster, and trickier for the weekend. Once again the tournament is not about who won but about who screwed it up. And by the way, the winds were exactly as forecast. The USGA lied about that one trying to cover their ass.

Ron Roby's avatar
Ron Roby wrote at 2018-06-18 22:23:25+00:00:

When the 'green' is brown the conditions are suspect. I wonder if the putting surface is now dead. A course should not die to play a tournament.

kenrosewal's avatar
kenrosewal wrote at 2018-06-18 22:21:26+00:00:

So this course is so delicate that we mortals can't even comprehend the nuances of tweeking the set up. Never mind that it resulted i n a 19 shot swing. On the wkend by 1 of the best golfers in the world. Solution: shouldn't of been played here. Dont play the tournament here again.

Frank 's avatar
Frank wrote at 2018-06-18 22:19:00+00:00:

It was fun to watch on Sat. Yes three holes should have been placed a little better. But the USGA gave in to the crying pros. Sun. Was like any other course. Solf green and boring. Really a 63 on that course in the open. Could have been a 61. I hate to say but really one hard week a year. Us common folks have a a lot more than one hard week a year. Please lets go back to it set up when 6 or 7 over par would win the open otherwise just set it up like any other week and I will go fishing instead of watching golf.

Bob Cowan's avatar
Bob Cowan wrote at 2018-06-18 22:14:57+00:00:

Are you saying that the greens were so fast that a 20 miles an hour wind could move the golf ball?

Mike H's avatar
Mike H wrote at 2018-06-18 22:12:56+00:00:

To all of you who think the pro's are just cry babies, sorry but you are obviously not a low handicap golfer and have any comprehension of where you can and can't place a pin. Placing on on the edge is fine as long as the ball will stay there but that wasn't the case here. No one could play this course Saturday afternoon. I have been (and remain) a very low handicap amateur tournament player all of my life and I can tell you, the course was set up totally unfair Saturday. Don't complain about the pro's complaining. I don't think I could have broke 100 out the Saturday.

Gilbert's avatar
Gilbert wrote at 2018-06-18 22:55:36+00:00:

You don’t always have to go pin hunting, somestimes making a par is the smart thing to do.

Brandon's avatar
Brandon wrote at 2018-06-18 23:23:58+00:00:

Multiple pros putted the ball 3 ft by the hole and it rolled 30 more ft off the green. Is that fair? They were hitting perfect bunker shots and it rolled out 100 ft. Fair?

Michael B's avatar
Michael B wrote at 2018-06-18 23:45:14+00:00:

TO Mike H.; So true, the attempt to live on the edge of the greens I believe is an error by the USGA. Sunday was no cake-walk, only a few were under par and it proved to be a good finish and worth watching. Hats off to Koepka and congrats to Fleetwood. The average score was 72.2 on Sunday, a good showing by both players and the Shinnecock. They can keep Joe Buck he does not portray the game well at all.

RayLo's avatar
RayLo wrote at 2018-06-18 22:02:44+00:00:

So a couple holes were cut too close to the edge of the greens on Saturday. Big deal.

These are supposed to be the hest players in the world.

The course was a true test to weed out all but the best player.

I saw a lot of risky approach shots that should have been played to the middle of the green!

And it was refreshing to see par be a good score again!

David's avatar
David wrote at 2018-06-19 01:11:21+00:00:

The basic problem is that the USGA assumption that the harder the course, the better the chance of revealing the best golfer is false. All it does is make it a game of chance, as you saw by looking at the scores.

B Thomas's avatar
B Thomas wrote at 2018-06-18 22:02:02+00:00:

1) My heart bleeds for the poor mistreated pros when they can't shoot 20 under. Crybabies! 2) Golf fans have become obnoxious boors who belong with the WWF. 3) Anyone who yells "get in the hole", especially on the first tee, should be banned from golf forever. 4) I have lost all respect for Phil. His disingenuous comments were unsportsmanlike at best and Trumpian at worst.

Al's avatar
Al wrote at 2018-06-18 22:43:17+00:00:

God bless Trump

George's avatar
George wrote at 2018-06-18 22:46:51+00:00:

Guess you hate Tiger for having 4 to 6 men move a 2 ton rock which was not a removable item

Tom's avatar
Tom wrote at 2018-06-19 00:02:08+00:00:

The way the course was set up was unfair! Tough is one thing but ridiculous is another. That was no way to find the best player in the world, not to take anything away from Brook. He played magnificent golf. They set up the Masters tough and it works all of the time (the best major year after year).

Andy's avatar
Andy wrote at 2018-06-18 22:01:59+00:00:

Watching the great pro golfers balls rolling off the ice rink greens was rough. Than put the pins in the slickest spots was just poor management.

Mike H's avatar
Mike H wrote at 2018-06-18 22:00:58+00:00:

It is time that the brain wizards at the USGA realize that they don't know how to set up a golf course. The greens sup at the home course knows his course and his greens. Let the pro set up his own course. The USGA looks like idiots again. The weather forecasts all called for the wind to pick up Saturday afternoon, the USGA used the excuse that they didn't think the wind was going to blow harder as the day went on. Every weather forecast said it would. Nice excuse USGA. You have lost credibility and time to retire and get new people.

Fred (not Couples)'s avatar
Fred (not Couples) wrote at 2018-06-18 23:31:32+00:00:

Agree

Barry's avatar
Barry wrote at 2018-06-18 22:00:09+00:00:

I love golf and play 2\3 times a week and would have more enjoyment in playing my game than watch that golf on a dreadful course like this !!!!

Ray's avatar
Ray wrote at 2018-06-18 21:55:36+00:00:

I honestly believe the USGA did a great job. You will be tested in the US open and you should be . It is what it is known for.( Difficulty) As an fan/player of the game and its players I have some comprehension about pin placement. Every pro golfer goes into the US OPEN course Thursday knowing that each day pins will be different and more difficult as the days progress. SO great Job and great way to make them earn that 12 million dollar purse for the US OPEN.

Dennis Petrak 's avatar
Dennis Petrak wrote at 2018-06-18 21:52:47+00:00:

It was another tragicomedy on Saturday for the USGA. The attempted suicide was a loose zetup that allowed a surge of players rise up the leaderboard and then watch the humiliating result on the better golfers in the afternoon. Phil went insane. One of the best players in the world, then watching the defensive play of the leaders just trying to survive!

Fred (not Couples)'s avatar
Fred (not Couples) wrote at 2018-06-18 23:33:53+00:00:

Phil should be banned from all tournaments this year. Brought the game into disrepute. Dreadful behaviour from a so called Professional.

larry mathison's avatar
larry mathison wrote at 2018-06-18 21:52:02+00:00:

Honestly the travesty was the unfair playing conditions which favored those Saturday T times prior to noon versus those poor saps who had to endure the much higher winds on the dried out greens. The earlier T times were worth 6-7 shots versus players playing later. The "test of golf" should be much closer to being the same. Sorry to the later players who basically got "jobbed" !

JOHN RYBKA's avatar
JOHN RYBKA wrote at 2018-06-18 21:51:55+00:00:

THE HOLE PLACEMENTS WERE BAD BUT THE TV PEOPLE .WERE WORSE. PUT A PLUG IN JOE BUCKS MOUTH. HOW DO THEY KNOW WHAT PHIL

WAS THINKING . THEY MADE IT SOUND LIKE THEY HAD A LISTENING DEVICE IN HIS HEAD. WAY TO MUCH SPECULATION.

George's avatar
George wrote at 2018-06-18 22:49:07+00:00:

Joe buck is like Skip Carey on braves Baseball talks too much,we are watching the game we don't need to be told every little move

lannertcito's avatar
lannertcito wrote at 2018-06-18 23:35:30+00:00:

Skip has been dead 10 years....

Another duffer's avatar
Another duffer wrote at 2018-06-18 23:58:32+00:00:

Joe Buck should stick to baseball (something other than Golf). Yeah to Holly Sonders

Ron's avatar
Ron wrote at 2018-06-19 00:21:12+00:00:

When Joe Buck does football I can hit the mute button but when he does golf they keep moving to different holes so I have to listen to that bubbling fountain of useless information

Mr G's avatar
Mr G wrote at 2018-06-18 21:50:04+00:00:

Poor little pets, NONE of them have the bumper sticker "A tough day on the golf course is better than a tough day at work". Seriously, they are pampered. Read Harvey Penick's thoughts on what should be done with bunkers and how to play in big winds.

Doug Roberts's avatar
Doug Roberts wrote at 2018-06-18 21:49:51+00:00:

The conditions were fine. The outcome was good. It would have been a tad of travesty if Fleetwood had won. With an exposed course like Shinnecock there is such an advantage to playing early. The greens run so much smoother. The greens hold better. Saturday was too penal and Sunday was too easy. Put the pins in precarious spots. Trim the edges for the run off. BUT keep the greens wet enough so as the entire field plays a similar course. The right guy won. He kept it together the best. DJ was tentative. Fleetwood played an easier course Sunday. Shinnecock is one of the 2 or 3 best places to stage the US Open. Oakmont/Merion/Pinehurst the others...

Rodney Closs's avatar
Rodney Closs wrote at 2018-06-18 21:46:33+00:00:

As in many sports the referees and umpires (in golf the USGA) like to think the spectators came to see them perform. WRONG!!! I come to see the players make shots. I would much rather oooooooh and ahhhhhhhhh than to awwwwwww. It's not minature golf, don't make the players get it through the windmill and into the clowns mouth all in one stroke. Don't place the pin 3 or 4 paces from the edge of the green that has a bunker waiting just 3 or 4 paces off the green. Especially with 20 - 25 mph winds. Speaking of winds, I like to see the National Flags of the countries participating ruffling in the wind, not a plethora of USGA flags vying for your attention. REALLY POOR PERFORMANCE BY USGA.

jim s's avatar
jim s wrote at 2018-06-18 21:41:54+00:00:

The boys play a game for a lot of money. They are excellent golfers. Sometimes, no matter the skill, bad shots are hit. For fans watching the game on the weekend, seeing pros play like my 70-year-old pals once in a while, is good for the game. Was the Open tough on the boys? Yes, it was. Was it enjoyable to watch? Yes, it was. The boys have to stop complaining, the fans have to maybe drink a bit less, and close their mouths a bit more, and the USGA has to find some marshalls that hasten the players around the course a bit faster. If those things happen, the growth of the game will continue, and us old guys will continue to watch the boys mess up once in a while. Tough course? Good!

robert knight's avatar
robert knight wrote at 2018-06-19 00:05:04+00:00:

You are so right.

Bob's avatar
Bob wrote at 2018-06-18 21:41:15+00:00:

I thought the screw-up worked well to bunch the field up to make for a wide-open finish Sunday. Kinda like NASCAR always having a phantom caution flag with around 10 laps to go. Then you have a tight race to the finish.

Mickey Meiklejohn's avatar
Mickey Meiklejohn wrote at 2018-06-18 21:40:14+00:00:

I'm so sick of the pros complaining about the courses being so hard! If they don't shoot 10 15 under par it's someone else's fault. Get a grip guys!! It's the US OPEN..YOUR MAKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND EVERYTHING IS DONE GOR YOU!! STOP MAKING EXCUSES AND PLAY GOLF!! THE SETUP WAS THE SAME FOR ALL YOU GUYS!!!

larry mathison's avatar
larry mathison wrote at 2018-06-18 21:53:06+00:00:

Nope, sorry Charlie, T times on Saturday prior to noon favored scoring by 6-8 strokes

Rick's avatar
Rick wrote at 2018-06-18 22:14:24+00:00:

I agree Larry. If the pins were in more reasonable locations on only a handful of the holes with the anticipated (and forecasted) winds in mind, the scoring would have still been higher in the afternoon, but only by 2-4 strokes.

Dean Aycoth's avatar
Dean Aycoth wrote at 2018-06-18 21:39:54+00:00:

When 10 players hit a shot on the green at the same place during the same day and 1 gets birdie 2 get par and seven get bogie or worse the winner of the tournament has become not the best player, but the luckiest player.

Fans would rather the scores be low and have a venue that offers a more fare advantage than what is offered at Shinnecock. Forget the nostalgias of these old courses and move on to newer courses. I could care less if you never played courses like this ever again. There are at least 500 courses that deserve to be tournament played. Let’s start with a new mind set that opens the door to a new course each year. What a brilliant idea would that be!!!

Kris Atchley's avatar
Kris Atchley wrote at 2018-06-18 21:39:06+00:00:

I would recommend that the USGA drop its obsession with shaving greens down so low that the grass is nearly dead in order to make the course "tough." This totally defeats the original design of the classic tracks. There are many cases where today's great course designers restore a classic layout to its original form, removing trees, reconstructing greens to remove years and years of sand splash buildup from bunkers, etc. So why do that but then turn the green into a Formica kitchen countertop? Moreover, if a classic course has greens with lots of undulations, then let those work the way their designer intended. If you want a double cut double rolled dried out hard lightning fast putting surface, then do that only on greens that are basically flat. Just look at the videos from when Ray Floyd won in 1986 and Corey Pavin won in 1995. Not only were the fairways green, the greens were green. I hate seeing championship greens on supremely well maintained courses turned into ugly dead brown and beige smears. They look like a practice green from the driving range in Tin Cup. This detracts from viewer enjoyment. So does knowing that the greens have been tricked up into surfaces impossible to hold a good shot. It is tiresome and stupid to watch missed putts and pitch shots that hit close to the center of a green just roll and roll off the back side or front. Professional golfers are supremely skilled athletes. Personally, I far prefer to see a well struck, perfectly aimed shot hit by one of those pros sit and hold close to where it landed. That demonstrates skill, and skill was rewarded. Finally, lengthening a course, the way they did at Shinnecock, to compensate for todays longer hitters, or adding a bunker further out than the original one, is okay, as long as it is done with the aim of maintaining the original designers vision of risk and reward and how he or she wanted the course to play. But stop burning out greens, USGA. Understand that moderately slow, healthy greens can also be difficult and require skill in judging speed and reading lines.

Pat's avatar
Pat wrote at 2018-06-18 23:24:51+00:00:

Amen to that, Kris.

Kevin's avatar
Kevin wrote at 2018-06-19 00:35:30+00:00:

These comments were well thought out. One other concern would be to limit the lengths of the roll outs by adding a secondary cut to create some creativity for the recovery shot. Player would then have to adapt to another component on the ground rather than a shot tumbling 30 yards away from greens edge. The greens , or tans, as we saw , pushed conditions to the edge of the "cliff" and then Mother Nature can provide a slight shove to start the tumble!!!

Kenneth Kehl's avatar
Kenneth Kehl wrote at 2018-06-18 21:38:03+00:00:

Looking at the course I thought the course was in great shape for a world competition. I just think the weather had a lot to do with

making it much more difficult. the audience needed to see some great shots and were disappointed that there were not enough

to cheer about. The players who depend on the crowds cheers did not have that to encourage them. Expectations were to high.

Charles Peach's avatar
Charles Peach wrote at 2018-06-18 21:36:56+00:00:

As a spectator -- I can see that the greens on this course and the U.S. Open played at University Place (near Tacoma) just were not managed correctly. The pins need not be placed in the middle of the green nor to the extreme too close to the edges. Somewhere in between will work fine. Likewise, too much drama regarding Phill Michelsen's hitting the ball before it stopped rolling. He was clearly protesting the pin placement, but it was nothing more than a speed bump. It was not like he was in contention for winning. He is still a great player and has done a lot for the game. Not enough attention paid to the actual winner and bringing his personality to life, especially when it is clear he is a rising star.

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wade hall wrote at 2018-06-18 21:36:39+00:00:

Personally I believe Dustin Johnson got the shaft based on the USGA losing control of the golf course after others benefited from the way it was set up. When the conditions changed for the later tee times and the golf course was no longer realistic to score on like it was earlier, it took the four players who had played the best the previous two days out of the tournament. Dustin at least remained tied for the lead but it is certainly possible he had experienced enough frustration that it was difficult to get his game under control again. He's been hitting wedges stiff all year and all of a sudden wasn't even close on any of his final day shots. As always he doesn't complain when given bad news, he just goes out an tries to overcome the challenge which doesn't always pan out; U S Open 2018 was another example!

Dennis Petrak 's avatar
Dennis Petrak wrote at 2018-06-18 21:54:33+00:00:

I agree totally @

keithy's avatar
keithy wrote at 2018-06-18 21:35:44+00:00:

the point is the elite have been cosseted for too long there should be more testing course, but I agree more common sense should be employed with green design and pin placement, this was like to uses an analogy, expecting F1 drivers to have a strip of dirt track in the middle of the circuit

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Dan Canavan wrote at 2018-06-18 21:33:34+00:00:

Arrived on Wednesday June 13, practice round - The arrangements for transportation from the Francis Gabreski Airport to the golf course, a total of 12 miles, took over 90 minutes. Arrived 5:30 AM at airport boarded bus at 545 am, arrived to course at 7:20 am. Terrible planning and organization - no thought process went into this organizational Plan. Next time hire professionals who can conduct a professional and reasonable transportation plan.

As a former Golf chairman at my local private club the course was a mess really poor condition

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Sandy R.Karse wrote at 2018-06-18 21:30:42+00:00:

Personally for a long time golfer in Canada and playing several different golf courses this 2018 was one of the worst that I have never seen.. I watched every minute and felt for all of the players.. Personally the USGA management needs a badly shake up and bring in other tours such as the EPGA for assistance.Change other courses in USA .

Dennis Middleton's avatar
Dennis Middleton wrote at 2018-06-18 21:29:31+00:00:

Watching from Australia it wasn’t a great show....boring really.

John Moser's avatar
John Moser wrote at 2018-06-18 21:27:48+00:00:

I completely agree. They make a few errors on cup location but it was the same for everybody. The tour guys want complete control. Golf is an outdoor sport. I will bet if Augusta was designed today the pros would refuse to play it because the “greens are unfair”. Maybe it’s an American thing. On the links courses in Europe, the field regularly gets divided by costal storms. You don’t hear those guys complaining.

Richard Miranda's avatar
Richard Miranda wrote at 2018-06-18 21:27:06+00:00:

This year US open was the best one I ever see everybody is crying about how well they didn’t do as the US open Nice to be hard for you to get away in there but there is always a win no matter where you play only the crybabies are complaining about how hard it was and it was in a good course it was the best one I kept my eye on and you’re always a winner no matter how will you play that course you don’t play a person you played the course outstanding it worse

David's avatar
David wrote at 2018-06-19 01:23:38+00:00:

The complaint is that an unfair setup generates an outcome based on something other than performance.

Cone Underwood's avatar
Cone Underwood wrote at 2018-06-18 21:21:14+00:00:

When the best golfers in the world play the best courses in the world & score like the 65-94 +year olds I play with on Thursdays, it's obvious that someone knows not what they do.

Tater's avatar
Tater wrote at 2018-06-18 21:34:09+00:00:

Hear, hear!

Curtis's avatar
Curtis wrote at 2018-06-18 22:10:26+00:00:

When none can break par, the course has been set up poorly. I want someone to shoot under par, not lag putting all afternoon. I can see bad golf any day I play.

Harry Joe's avatar
Harry Joe wrote at 2018-06-18 21:18:33+00:00:

Whoa! Wait a minute. There are two things that the USGA cannot control : Weather which is a part of Mother Nature and spoiled brats who some of the most cuddled professional athletes that demand that everything be served to them with a silver spoon. The USGA is and should remain as the sternest test for the greatest golfers in the world.No one, and that includes you Mr. Mickleson (of whom I am a big fan ) are forced to play in the U.S. Open. The U.S. Open should not be on a course where some ridiculous -20 wins. Though I may be in the minority, I believe the USGA did a great job with setting up Shinnecock for the privileged few who accepted the opportunity to play for the greatest golf championship in the United States.

Tater's avatar
Tater wrote at 2018-06-18 21:46:57+00:00:

The old blue Jacketed blue bloods

@ the USGA are no longer relevant in the world of golf & haven't been for many years. The United States open once again consisted of a bunch of tricked up greens as a result of ridiculous pin placement & a refusal to water properly. The Open is always hard but also fair. The U.S. open is, more often than not, neither. This is why the US open is #3 behind The Masters & The Open. If I were a PGA pro I'd organize a boycott of the US Open and replace it with The Players as one of the 4 Majors

Rick's avatar
Rick wrote at 2018-06-18 21:51:44+00:00:

I believe the USGA can create the toughest test in golf by using other means than baking the greens and putting pins on extreme slopes or knolls. . I would love to see more holes where a certain shot shape is REQUIRED to stay in the fairway or on a green - both L to R and R to L even from the center of the fairway. Narrow and shape the fairways; tuck the pins, but not on severe slopes. Grow the rough, but not into 'wedge out' only length. Make it somewhat long and somewhat thick - moderate in both categories, but EXPAND it. The root cause of Mickelson's swat was the pin position for that green. It was ridiculous.

David's avatar
David wrote at 2018-06-19 01:25:49+00:00:

Excellent comment, based on thought, not just emotion.

Bob Warren's avatar
Bob Warren wrote at 2018-06-18 21:59:17+00:00:

The US Open and The Open are meant for the best players in the world (pro and amateur). Personally, I believe the course should be set up for a scratch golfer to shoot PAR, but get punished for wayward shots, not well played shots that get punished. Admittedly, AM and PM starts will be different in poor weather conditions, but the golfer has no control on the weather. Play the course!!

Pat's avatar
Pat wrote at 2018-06-18 23:28:42+00:00:

Disagree, Harry Joe. I'm with Tater, Rick, and Bob on this one.

Michael B's avatar
Michael B wrote at 2018-06-18 23:54:54+00:00:

Except the weather was exactly as forecasted.....windy

Pauly's avatar
Pauly wrote at 2018-06-18 21:17:38+00:00:

Garbage - these whining spoiled “swing coach/physio/stress coach” players are idiots - play the course and stop complaining

Joann Meyer's avatar
Joann Meyer wrote at 2018-06-18 21:52:56+00:00:

I totally agree! I really enjoyed watching this years Open. Play the damn course as is, the best you can!!

Chris Noonan's avatar
Chris Noonan wrote at 2018-06-18 21:15:35+00:00:

Maybe its time to rethink Shinnecock Hills having such a regular appearance in the US Open rotation.

It's a gem, but there are many gems....

Joe M's avatar
Joe M wrote at 2018-06-18 22:43:56+00:00:

I don't understand why we have been playing our US Open on courses that resemble those in Ireland and Scotland. That's for the British Open.


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