Apache Stronghold Golf Course

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3.7
250
5 Stars
29
4 Stars
119
3 Stars
66
2 Stars
24
1 Stars
12
Conditions
2.8
Value
4.3
Layout
4.7
Friendliness
4.5
Pace
4.7
Amenities
3.1
87.0%
Recommend this course
216 out of 250 reviews
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3.6
8
5 Stars
0
4 Stars
5
3 Stars
3
2 Stars
0
1 Stars
0
Conditions
2.6
Value
4.3
Layout
4.8
Pace
4.8
Amenities
2.4
StaffFriendliness
4.0
87.5%
Recommend this course
7 out of 8 reviews
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4.0
22
5 Stars
6
4 Stars
11
3 Stars
4
2 Stars
1
1 Stars
0
Conditions
3.0
Value
4.5
Layout
4.8
Pace
4.8
Amenities
3.1
StaffFriendliness
4.5
90.9%
Recommend this course
20 out of 22 reviews
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About

Holes 18
Type Resort
Style Desert
Par 72
Length 7519 yards
Slope 145
Rating 74.6
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Tee Par Length Rating Slope
Stronghold 72 7519 yards 74.6 145
Warrior 72 7007 yards 72.1 138
Apache 72 6524 yards 69.8 128
Maiden (W) 72 6077 yards 70.9 123
Chieftain (W) 72 5535 yards 67.9 123
Scorecard for Apache Stronghold Golf Club
Metrics:
Hole 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Out 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 In Total
Black M: 75.5/137 661 427 239 398 470 325 456 552 447 3975 472 176 418 480 186 614 510 230 458 3544 7519
Blue M: 73.1/123 562 395 211 334 463 311 435 542 441 3694 462 144 408 452 172 551 444 198 432 3263 6957
Gold M: 72.3/122 550 368 171 329 429 310 392 521 401 3471 392 125 325 440 146 551 444 198 432 3053 6524
Gray M: 70.7/121 511 342 161 295 390 284 380 509 383 3255 379 119 323 373 131 469 432 174 422 2822 6077
Red W: 70.2/119 503 311 151 284 379 260 351 452 319 3010 345 110 291 365 110 416 375 133 375 2520 5530
Handicap 3 5 13 15 1 17 11 9 7 6 16 14 10 18 2 4 12 8
Par 5 4 3 4 4 4 4 5 4 37 4 3 4 4 3 5 5 3 4 35 72
Handicap (W) 1 9 17 11 3 15 7 13 5 6 18 10 2 16 4 8 14 12

Course Details

Year Built 1999
Fairways Bermuda Grass
Greens Bent Grass
Golf Season Year round
Architect Tom Doak (1999) Jim Urbina (1999)

Rentals/Services

Carts Yes
Clubs Yes
GPS No
Pull-carts No

Practice/Instruction

Driving Range Yes
Caddies No
Teaching Pro Yes
Pitching/Chipping Area Yes
Putting Green Yes

Policies

Credit Cards Accepted VISA, MasterCard, Amex, Discover Welcomed
Metal Spikes Allowed No
Dress code Collared shirt, no cutoffs, denim ok.

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Reviews

3.7
250

What Golfers Are Saying

The 19th Hole is Great For:
Drinks 19
19th Hole Scenic Views 6
Course Challenges Include:
Elevation Changes 55
Forced Carries 55
Undulating Greens 44
This course/club is great for:
Wildlife/ Scenic Views 61
Advanced Golfers 43
Locals 28
This Course's Location is:
Worth the Drive 56
At a Resort 26
Near Local Attractions 11

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Played On
Handicap 5-9
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played
Used cart

worth the drive

played for second time, cold windyday. This course although in a bit rough shape and very wet is a hidden gem. For a low handi-cap it is a really well layed out golf course. Conditioning is hurting due to location and no over seeding for winter.

All in worth the drive and to play. bring your A game.

Conditions Average
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Average
Played On
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
3.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played

Weather related bad condition

Called course to check conditions we’re told all was fine not cart path only we got there and we’re told it was cart path. Only and discovered that the course should have closed water over our shoes in most places only tried to play a few holes had to quit no compensation from the course bad experience !

Conditions Poor
Value Poor
Layout Average
Friendliness Fair
Pace Average
Played On
Handicap 5-9
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played
Perfect weather
Used cart

Continued improvement

Improvements are very visible with turf on greens and selected fairways. Greens are very receptive to approach shots and putting surfaces are excellent. Greens and approaches are extremely wet and could be improved with some attention to how much water is applied. New carts with GPS is a nice improvement also. Keep up the good work.

Conditions Average
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Average
Played On
Handicap 20-24
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
3.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played
Perfect weather
Used cart

Carts

The carts needs to replaced. every time you go up a hill the cart has a hard time go up the hill.

Conditions Fair
Value Good
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Good
Pace Excellent
Amenities Fair
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apachestronghold
Commented On 2019-01-16T20:44:16.000+00:00

As of January 1 we have new golf cars

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Played On
Handicap 10-14
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Top 500 Contributor
First Time Playing
Used cart

Worth Playing but poor condition

GOOD: $34, no players, big interesting greens, great location and views, no houses, interesting layout

BAD: Fairways almost non-existent grass, ok w liberal use of preferred lies; cart path only, some green damage spots;

UGLY: Fairways bad, some flood damage; cart paths gravel-dirt.d fairways,

Even with bad fairways and problems spots on greens, worth the trip, your results may vary

Conditions Poor
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Good
Pace Excellent
Amenities Average
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apachestronghold
Commented On 2019-01-16T20:47:33.000+00:00

Weather has not cooperated with us but we continue to try to work on improvements. We have repaired most all of the spots on the greens and will work on the fairway damage once temperatures permit growth. Please bear with us.

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Played On
Handicap 5-9
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played
Perfect weather
Used cart

Visible Improvements

Seeing improvements to playing conditions. Lots of sod filling on several greens and fairways have taken place and are clearly visible.

Conditions Good
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Good
Pace Excellent
Amenities Average
Played On
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing

Worth the drive-keep expectations in check

Made the drive from Scottsdale. Under two hours. First impressions were not great-range closed, carts need windscreens due to dust on paths. Course design is one of the best in AZ. Started as a single on 10 and joined up with a regular after a few holes. He helped immensely with lines off the tee and green slopes. The fairways are generous, but being on the right side makes a difference. Every hole is different and unique. Great risk/reward par fives, a couple of exciting short par fours, and some good, long challenging par fours.

Par threes are really good, don’t be short on any of them or you will find bunkers that are playable but in rough shape. Fairways were wet in spots, close to greens were soaking wet and balls plugged where they landed. Land on the green and balls hold and stick. Makes for large ball marks, but greens were very playable and in good shape.

Overall course is in good shape, but in some places you need to lift and clean. If this course was near Phoenix and in good shape would be as good or better than WeKoPah, Quintero, and Wickenburg Ranch. Better than Troon North or Grayhawk. Nowhere near as penal as Quintero, but just as hard and you can see the greens could be as fast as Quintero if they wanted to make it play that way.

It is worth taking a group for the day and enjoy the course as it is and dream what it could be if they could figure out how to generatethe kind of revenue it needs to be in championship conditions. Could be a long term project/challenge for Troon Golf.

Played one up from tips and it was perfect distance for me-6 handicap. Suggest play the right tees to get the most out of the experience.

Don’t expect Scottsdale service or conditioning, but played in under three hours and never hurried. Might be the most playable desert golf course, with unique design elements I have played in a long time. $40 green fee and $30 in gas is still cheaper than anywhere comparable this time of year.

Conditions Good
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Average
Pace Excellent
Amenities Fair
Played On
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
3.0
Verified Purchaser
Conditions Average
Value Good
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Poor
Played On
Handicap 0-4
Skill Advanced
Plays Once a month
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Arizona Advisor
Top 1000 Contributor
Previously Played
Hot weather
Used cart

Apache Stronghold: Tom Doak's High Desert Masterpiece

Back in 1999, Tom Doak opened the Apache Stronghold Golf Course, a beautiful accompaniment to the casino built at the same time. From the back tees, it was a complete beast, running a bit over 7,500 yards in length with a 145 slope. It possessed as fine a mixture of par threes in the state. Doak also included a drivable zero-horizon par four. The par fives were brilliant. There was nothing about this course that was second rate. But the death knell was that it was in Globe. There just wasn't enough traffic to keep it going. Year after year, it was allowed to go to seed and then, they simply closed it in the midst of the late 2000 financial crisis. Shut it down. For what appeared to be good.

The course reopened in 2013. It is STILL in rough shape and that is truly saddening. BUT the DESIGN remains and it is absolutely worth the trip to do a Stay and Play, simply to see what Tom Doak can do if you have never played one of his designs. If you have, then it's simply a celebratory ride through the High Desert, wishing that money was no object and that it would be poured into the course. Bring some cigars, a good buddy, have a few drinks while you play and keep your mind open. I promise you, you won't forget what a truly great golf course designer was able to do with such a remarkable stretch of land.

Conditions Fair
Value Good
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Good
Pace Excellent
Amenities Good
Played On
Handicap 0-4
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played
Hot weather
Used cart

Could be great

This course could be one of the best in the state. The layout follows the natural terrain and offers a wide variety of shots required. There are no homes near the course, only nature. The course conditions are very poor. The fairways are spotty at best, the greens are bumpy and have patches without grass and the sand traps are basically unplayable. The cart paths are so rough in places that you think you're four wheeling instead of golfing. Even with all the negative comments, we had an enjoyable round because of the design.

Conditions Fair
Value Good
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Poor
Played On
Handicap 20-24
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a month
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played
Windy weather
Used cart

Best Public course

I've played Apache Stronghold for years. The greens are coming around, but I prefer them a lot slicker. Still some bad areas here and there, but me playing there for so long, I know where to place my ball. Rudy is always awesome. He deserves a raise.

Conditions Average
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Good
Amenities Average
Played On
Skill Beginner
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
3.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played

Course Maintenance

The course has undergone significant improvements to the cart paths and drainage. The majority of the fairways are in great condition but the lack of sprinkler repairs has allowed large patches of the grass to die off. Several of the greens had rough spots.

Conditions Average
Value Good
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Good
Amenities Average
Played On
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played
Conditions Excellent
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Good
Pace Excellent
Amenities Average
Played On
Handicap 10-14
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
2.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played
Hot weather
Used cart

Sandy Greens!?

All the greens had been aerated and covered in sand which made for very poor putting conditions. I was surprised that the course was open under these conditions or that the whole course had been treated at the same time. The fairways were not in very good condition either. My recommendation to a friend would be, "not at this time".

Conditions Poor
Value Fair
Layout Average
Friendliness Good
Pace Excellent
Amenities Fair
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apachestronghold
Commented On 2018-05-16T16:18:13.000+00:00

I'm sorry you the course did not meet your expectations. Unfortunately, aeration must be done if we are to maintain the greens. We put our aeration dates on our website and on the bulletin board but no matter when it is done it is going to impact play. That is why we lower our prices while the greens are healing. I also noticed you got your tee time through Golf Now, which lowered your price even further. Our greens should be healed soon and we would welcome your comments then.

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Played On
Handicap 10-14
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing

Pleasantly surprised

A long but very, very scenic drive from Mesa to Apache Stronghold Golf Course.

Very friendly staff and terrific service at the course which was challenging and scenic. No houses around the golf holes and lots of distance between holes makes you feel you are on a real desert course.

The food at the snack bar was delicious and fresh and we had dinner at the Casino next doir that was good and affordable.

All and all, great value for the day.

Conditions Good
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Previously Played

Wow!

Spectacular setting. Course in rough shape but still very playable. Hope to play a few more rounds before the next monsoons washes it away. Rudy is the man!

Conditions Average
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Played On
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
Previously Played

Spectacular layout

While course conditions are average for a muni the layout is one of the most spectacular and challenging anywhere. Tom Doak used a natural routing and terrain to craft one of the best layouts anywhere. No two holes are alike. Super golf packages and low green fees make this a must play for those in the Phoenix area. Just visited for the fourth time and can not wait to go back.

Conditions Average
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Good
Played On
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
First Time Playing

Excellent Value

Arrived an hour early for tee time so decided to get out as there was only 1 golfer in front of us (2-some) power cart with gps, friendly people. Tee boxes were like carpet. Fairways, soft but crispy grass. Workers out there manicuring the course. Even though they are sand cart paths, they are still not rough, non-issue. Enjoyed this natural wilderness course. Washrooms on course were clean, with running water and flush toilets. Such a shame this course is not booked solid, maybe just getting started. Great value for the quality of course. Also have nice choices for golf apparel in pro shop. Hope you continue to grow and become a well attended and appreciated golf course. We totally enjoyed the experience here. Thank you!

Conditions Average
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Handicap 15-19
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
First Time Playing
Perfect weather
Used cart

The Ultimate Desert Course

If you want to experience the ultimate in desert golf this is it. Our foursome has played well over thirty courses in the valley and agree none compare to Apache Stronghold for desert terrain and mountain views. If you're a golf snob and demand perfectly manicured fairways and greens don't bother. The fairways are spotty and the greens look horrible but play as true as any I've played this year. The greens are also the fastest I've played in years. Worth the drive and we'll be returning soon.

Conditions Average
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Good
Amenities Average
Played On
Handicap 15-19
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Verified Purchaser
Previously Played

Rugged Beauty

We enjoy this course it plays thru the unspoiled desert surrounding elevated tees fast rolling greens and beautiful views!! Had breakfast at the casino highly recommend it also!!

Conditions Good
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Good
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