Raptor at Grayhawk Golf Club

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4.3
Value
3.3
Layout
4.0
Friendliness
4.3
Pace
4.1
Amenities
4.7
76.5%
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15 out of 21 reviews
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4.3
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5.0
Amenities
5.0
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4.7
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2 out of 3 reviews
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4.5
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About

Holes 18
Par 72
Length 7090
Slope 140
Rating 74.2
Type Public
Grayhawk Golf Club, opened in 1994 has two 18-hole courses, Talon and Raptor, which have garnered accolades over their brief lifespan and hosted several events. Among those are tour-sanctioned events like the 2007 Fry's Electronics Open, the Andersen Consulting World Match Play Championship and the Tommy Bahama Challenge. A round on the Grayhawk Golf Club's Raptor course, which Tom Fazio designed, delivers tests demanding golfers' respect if they're shooting high-risk for huge rewards. The par-72 course measures 7,090 yards, with natural small hills and washes. The course provides a panorama, with vistas of the McDowell Mountains, as well as indigenous Saguaro cacti and Palo Verde, Ironwood and Mesquite trees. The fairways on the Raptor at Grayhawk Golf Club are giving, though strategic bunkers make bogeys your best bet if you don't shoot true.
Tee Par Length Rating Slope
Raptor 72 7090 yards 74.2 140
Palo Verde 72 6526 yards 71.2 135
Terra Cotta (W) 72 6040 yards 74.9 135
Terra Cotta 72 6040 yards 69.0 128
Heather (W) 72 5175 yards 70.1 120
Scorecard for Raptor
Metrics:
Hole 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Out 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 In Total
Raptor M: 74.2/140 413 395 460 562 203 345 502 174 464 3518 390 615 468 230 429 437 151 331 521 3572 7090
Raptor/Palo M: 72.5/137 413 395 419 530 180 345 502 174 427 3385 390 539 441 200 429 415 151 331 521 3417 6802
Palo M: 71.2/135 380 360 419 530 180 334 474 156 427 3260 359 539 441 200 379 415 138 301 494 3266 6526
Palo/Terra M: 70.0/131 380 360 392 500 170 334 474 156 394 3160 359 510 416 183 379 415 138 275 494 3169 6329
Terra M: 69.0/128 W: 74.9/135 353 336 392 500 170 312 443 149 394 3049 331 510 416 183 371 378 97 275 430 2991 6040
Terra/Heather M: 67.2/123 W: 72.6/128 353 336 288 440 133 312 443 149 358 2812 331 465 390 144 371 378 86 226 430 2821 5633
Heather W: 70.1/120 297 268 288 440 133 285 382 131 358 2582 274 465 390 144 342 305 86 226 361 2593 5175
Handicap 10 16 4 2 14 12 8 18 6 9 1 5 7 13 11 17 15 3
Par 4 4 4 5 3 4 5 3 4 36 4 5 4 3 4 4 3 4 5 36 72

Course Details

Year Built 1995
Fairways Bermuda Grass
Greens Bent Grass
Golf Season Year round
Architect Tom Fazio (1995) Tom Fazio (2015) Wadsworth Golf Construction (1995)

Rentals/Services

Carts Yes - included in green fees
Clubs Yes
GPS No
Pull-carts No

Practice/Instruction

Driving Range Yes
Caddies No
Golf School Academy Yes
Teaching Pro Yes
Pitching/Chipping Area Yes
Putting Green Yes

Policies

Credit Cards Accepted VISA, MasterCard, Amex Welcomed
Metal Spikes Allowed No
Dress code Collared shirt required

Reviews

4.0
21

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The 19th Hole is Great For:
Drinks 6
Patio Dining 6
Course Challenges Include:
Bunkers 6
Undulating Greens 6
This course/club is great for:
Advanced Golfers 6

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Handicap 0-4
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3.0
Top 500 Contributor
First Time Playing

Nice design and facility but not worth the price!

The Raptor is definitely a great design, and I’m sure the Talon is very nice as well...... but like all the overpriced hoity-toity courses in North Scottsdale, they all like to overwater the crap out of their courses during this time of the year so that they look pretty........making most lies in the fairway unplayable.

It was almost like you have to play lift clean and place for the whole length of the fairway and in low spots around the greens. It was really bad.

At the end of the day there are so many other courses around the area like Wildfire (Faldo/Palmer), Ambiente, Boulders etc Where you can play for cheaper and in my opinion play better course design.

I also don’t know why Grayhawk think they’re better than Golfnow or Teeoff, but you can get way better deals at way better courses throughout the valley on those sites.....so if you were debating I hope this helps ya.

Conditions Average
Value Poor
Layout Good
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Handicap 10-14
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
First Time Playing
Hot weather
Used cart

Fun Course Layout, Value is Average

I have played the Raptor course at Grayhawk twice and both times I have come away impressed. The course itself is what you would expect from a Resort course in AZ. We played the second tees (Palo Verde), and while there are some narrow fairways, most of them are manageable. The ones that were narrow were that way intentionally, to force you into "target golf" decision making like most of the desert courses (for instance, pulling an iron/3 wood over driver by default). Conditions on the fairway and rough areas were great, especially for the time of the year (June). The greens were rolling a little slower than expected the day we were there, but overall rolled true to their lines and represented a challenge due to undulations and tiered greens on many of the holes. Pace of play was about 4 hours and 15 minutes, which I find to be right on par with expectations. Finally, the atmosphere of the club was great. Between Phil's Grille (a great post-round Men's grille) and top-notch conditions, it felt almost like a private course. Where Grayhawk falls short is value. Even playing in June, which is considered the start of the offseason summer rates, we still paid $100 to play. I am not saying that is unheard of for courses in the area (Troon's pricing was nearly the same), but we played two other courses during our trip that matched the course conditions, but represented better overall values (Verde River and We-Ko-Pa). All of that said, I expect to return to GrayHawk (want to try out Talon) again in the future, but it may not be my first stop along the way. There are many courses in the area that offer similar challenge/conditions at a lesser price.

Conditions Excellent
Value Good
Layout Good
Friendliness Good
Pace Excellent
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Handicap 10-14
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
First Time Playing
Hot weather
Used cart

Great course

I vacationed in Scottsdale and played three courses while there, Grayhawk, TPC Stadium and We-Ko-Pa. Grayhawk was my favorite. The course was in excellent condition and beautiful. Fortunately I was paired with three younger guys who were a lot of fun.

Conditions Excellent
Value Excellent
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Handicap 10-14
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
First Time Playing

One notch tougher than Talon

Grayhawk's Raptor course is one notch tougher than the other course on site (Talon), but still very playable and enjoyable. Loved the smooth greens - pretty quick, but once you got a feel for them they were just great. Play the slope on the card, not the yardage to get the right tee boxes for your game.

Grayhawk facility is just outstanding and the people are excellent.

Conditions Excellent
Value Good
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Good
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Handicap 5-9
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Top 250 Contributor
Minnesota Advisor
First Time Playing
Wet weather
Used cart

I finally got to play Raptor!

I played Talon last year and really wanted to play Raptor, I finally got the chance. I loved this course, we just picked a day where it ended up raining. We were wet for the last 6 holes, sadly. The course was great and well maintained, greens were quick and they stayed pretty fast even after getting soaked. We went cart path only which was a bummer but we understood it. The driving range is awesome, the music is a pretty cool piece. I love the practice putting greens, very cool with the mountains in the back. The club house, Phils grill and the restaurant is incredible. My favorite club house. The outside seating areas are great to have a drink after the round. This course is tough, it is humbling but very, very fun. Tons of sand and if you miss the fairway you are most likely out of a golf ball. Staff was nice, the ranger was bringing towels out to us to dry off and the starter was very welcoming and fun. I think I would play Talon over Raptor if I had to choose but it is still well worth it to play.

Conditions Excellent
Value Good
Layout Good
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Good
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Handicap 10-14
Skill Advanced
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Golf Advisor
Previously Played
Perfect weather
Used cart

Love the experience more than the course

Let me start by saying I'm a big fan of the Grayhawk experience. I love Phil's Grill, the music on the range and most of the holes on the Raptor - especially the "Aces&Eights" par 3 at no. 8 and the par 5s at no. 4 and no. 8.

But I'm more of a fan of the amenities than I am of the course, which has a long history of hosting events that attract professional golfers. Like most tournament courses, it's too heavily bunkered with too many popup greens for most amateurs to enjoy, especially snowbirds who haven't played in a month or more when they visit. Maybe next time I'll play the 6,000 yard tees and change my tune.

Conditions Good
Value Average
Layout Average
Friendliness Good
Pace Average
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
First Time Playing

Awesome first experience

Greens were rolling great. The layout of this course is very compatible to that of Troon North (one of the best in AZ) in terms of being scenic and different between each hole. There wasn't a single hole that was disappointing or unfair. The views made it difficult to focus on playing good golf!

I will be back!

Conditions Excellent
Value Good
Layout Excellent
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Handicap 15-19
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
First Time Playing
Perfect weather
Used cart

Loved the Raptor

This is by far the more fun and fair of the two Grayhawk courses. The only hole I didn't like is #10. Miss the green left or even hitting out of the right side green bunker you will be in Quill Creek. Not an easy course, but very enjoyable to play.

Conditions Excellent
Value Good
Layout Good
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Good
Played On
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
1.0
First Time Playing

Played this course for the first time today, not worth the money they are charging you. Pace of play is ridiculous. Marshall kept apologizing saying he was warning slow groups in front of us but 5+ hours for a round is unacceptable. And for $230 I'll stay away from now on and will not recommend to anyone.

Conditions Average
Value Poor
Layout Average
Friendliness Poor
Pace Poor
Played On
Handicap 0-4
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Previously Played
Average weather
Used cart

cool place

Awesome facility leads to a solid place to practice and play. Course is in good shape with solid greens. Fun layout until number 16. They remodeled numbers 15-17 a year or so ago and really did a poor job. Number 15 is a fine hole. However, number 16 may be one of the worst holes I have ever seen as it is nothing more than a wedge shot and if you happen to miss it left by a foot, you end up in the desert with an impossible shot as the grass does not extend far enough. Number 17 isn't quite as bad but it is by far the easiest hole on the course, it needs some bunkers. All in all a fun place.

Conditions Good
Value Good
Layout Average
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Handicap 15-19
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
First Time Playing
Good weather
Used cart

Tough Course

Well, this course really ate my lunch the day I played it. I consider myself to be a pretty decent golfer, but I probably should've played from the set of tees in front of the greens. This course was really long, and you can't be wayward with your tee shots. The greens were sandy, and played fairly slow. My guess is that they had been punched about a month before I played there. Overall, the practice facility and clubhouse were nice. I didn't eat there, but the restaurant/bar area looked nice. I feel like I got fairly good value for my money, as I paid $60 to play here at 9:00 a.m. Keep in mind that it's in the middle of the summer in Arizona.

I'm sure the course is nicer during the winter months, but I'm not sure I would be rushing back to play here. Mainly because there are so many other options nearby. Like I said, I'd like to play it during peak season just to have a good comparison.

Conditions Good
Value Average
Layout Good
Friendliness Good
Pace Good
Amenities Good
Played On
Handicap 10-14
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
3.0
Previously Played
Average weather
Used cart

So sad what they have done to Raptor

STAY AWAY! They have basically ruined Raptor with the "redesign" of 15, 16, 17 to allow room for their big new hotel. 15 is a so-so par 4, 16 is a sad crammed-in-there 100-yar par 3, and the teeth have been taken from 17 by shortening it from about 420 to 270 yards. How to take one of the better Phoenix-area courses and make it disappointingly poor at the finish. It is so sad, and I will no longer consider Grayhawk a course of choice.

Conditions Average
Value Fair
Layout Poor
Friendliness Good
Pace Good
Amenities Average
Played On
Skill Advanced
Plays A few times a week
1.0
Previously Played

waste of money

While Grayhawk might be rated one of the best courses in North Scottsdale, I beg to differ. This course is purely a cash cow. Boasted up with Phil Mickelson's name on it, it's a total bust. The actual reason this course really sucks is the newly re routed holes 15, 16. These two new holes literally look like they belong to the local city course. 15 a down hill easy par 4 that has no appeal what so ever. 16 a really short par 3 that makes you wonder why you spent any money on this course. This course is a wannabe North Scottsdale dream track that doesn't deliver.

Conditions Poor
Value Poor
Layout Poor
Friendliness Poor
Pace Poor
Amenities Fair
Played On
Handicap 0-4
Skill Advanced
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
First Time Playing
Good weather

Tough but fun

I prefer tougher courses that are walk-able. And this one fits the bill perfectly. The greens are fast and undulated and perhaps most challenging, convex. You better bring your A game if you want to play well out here as your approach shots are everything. Miss your target landing zone by a few feet and you're staring a at bogie. Off the tee the course is fair and long enough for even the biggest hitters, the conditions were great as the greens were flawless. Bunkers were in good condition but many were left un tended (where do people play that they dont have to rake their bunkers? Apparently here!). The 15, 16 and 17th are new due to a re-routing and they are not nearly of the caliber of the other 14 holes. Maybe that will change with some time but I felt that they ruined the round as they played differently and were visually less appealing than the other 15 holes. Overall I liked it better than the Talon (except for 15, 16 and 17) and will definitily be back. Expensive but a great course and a fun facility and in my opinion not nearly as nice as Troon in both conditions and layout.

Conditions Excellent
Value Good
Layout Good
Friendliness Good
Pace Good
Amenities Good
Played On
Handicap 5-9
Skill Advanced
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Golf Advisor
Previously Played
Excellent weather
Used cart

Three new holes on the Raptor course at Grayhawk could have been better

The Raptor - long one of the favorites of Scottsdale - reopened in October after three holes - no. 15, 16 and 17 - were rerouted by original architect Tom Fazio in case of future development. The results are mixed. The new 15th hole starts on an elevated tee. The fairway swings from left to right off of a large fairway bunker. A severe green has several ridges in it. It's a solid hole. The 16th, however, looks like an eyesore. There's no mountain backdrop or desert landscape to give it definition or character. A front bunker protects a green that kicks shots left into a collection area, which doesn't have enough grass to save shots from falling into a terrible lie. The 17th hole isn't bad, but it could be so much more. The short par 4 plays 301 yards from the tees that most players will use. It could use another bunker or two to give the tee shot more of a risk-reward feel. Otherwise, it should be an easy par with potential for birdie. Thankfully, all the other things that make Grayhawk so great - stout par 5s like the no. 5 and no. 18 - and Phil's Grill inside the clubhouse will likely never change.

Conditions Excellent
Value Average
Layout Good
Friendliness Good
Pace Excellent
Amenities Good
Played On
Handicap 5-9
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
3.0
Previously Played
Excellent weather
Used cart

Need to rethink the changes made to the course

I have played Grayhawk, Raptor, for many years and loved the design and the challenge. In 2015 they made changes to holes 15, 16 and 17 in order to maximize land for future commercial development. In late October 2015, I played the redesigned course. The new hole 15 is a beautifully designed hole, long, with a well protected green and pleasing to the eye. Hole 16 is now a very short par 3; the day we played, it was 120 yards from the mid tees. It must be one of the ugliest designed par 3 holes for a "championship" course that I have seen in the valley. The old hole 16 was beautiful and challenging. You are better off skipping 16 and going straight to hole 17. The new Hole 17 is the same as the old hole but it has now been shortened from over 400 yards to around 280 yards. That would be ok if they had put a few bunkers around the green(there are no bunkers on this hole) to give the hole some protection and some definition. Someone controlling the costs must have been involved in the design. Hole 17 could have been very nice if the design team had added a few bunkers. I am not sure if I will play Raptor in the future as I think the new design has been poorly planned and executed. It cheapens an otherwise beautiful and challenging course. Too bad!!

Conditions Fair
Value Average
Friendliness Good
Pace Good
Amenities Average
Played On
Handicap 5-9
Skill Intermediate
Plays A few times a week
1.0
Previously Played
Good weather
Used cart

Mud balls

If you like playing with mud balls during a tournament then this is the course for you. I get more mud balls in one round here than I get playing the entire winter in Seattle. I never heard "I need to play a provisional" as many times as when I play this course. I played a round of golf with two guys that each took 5 unplayable ball penalties on the same hole. When I go to the desert; I am not thinking mud balls but here I get them here. I rather play Quintero or Southern Dunes real desert golf.

Conditions Poor
Value Average
Friendliness Good
Pace Average
Amenities Average
Played On
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Previously Played

sand

xcellent course but bunkers were rock hard. The bunkers need to b filled with SAND

Conditions Average
Value Good
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Good
Amenities Good
Played On
Handicap 10-14
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
5.0
First Time Playing
Excellent weather
Used cart

Challenging But Fair

I loved the Raptor. It may have helped that I played well, but what I love is that its complex around the greens but fair. If you hit it solid, you are rewarded. On the wrong side of the hole and you are in trouble. We played 1 up and it was fair. A mix of short and long, with most tee shots level or downhill. I was fortunate to play a few other top end courses, and none were as complex around the greens as Raptor. I am a huge fan and would play there again in a heartbeat, even in 100+ conditions.

Conditions Excellent
Value Good
Friendliness Excellent
Pace Excellent
Amenities Excellent
Played On
Handicap 15-19
Skill Intermediate
Plays Once a week
I Recommend This Course
4.0
Previously Played
Good weather
Used cart

Raptor

Tough course. Keep it in the fairway when you play at Greyhawk.

Conditions Good
Value Good
Friendliness Good
Pace Good
Amenities Good
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