JimHowie

The Classic has recovered nicely from all of the trees being taken down and is still challenging.

I believe both Grayhawk courses are overrated. I have never played a course where at least once per hole someone in my group says "you should play a provisional" and I have been playing golf for 43 years. I played with a guy who took 5 unplayable lies on the same hole. I get more mud balls here in one round than I get playing during an entire winter in Seattle. This is course is over rated and I will never play this course again when there is better alternatives and challenging courses in the valley such as Southern Dunes and Quintero.

If you like playing with mud balls during a tournament then this is the course for you. I get more mud balls in one round here than I get playing the entire winter in Seattle. I never heard "I need to play a provisional" as many times as when I play this course. I played a round of golf with two guys that each took 5 unplayable ball penalties on the same hole. When I go to the desert; I am not thinking mud balls but here I get them here. I rather play Quintero or Southern Dunes real desert golf.